翻译 桃子
翻译 Ccumberbatch
翻译 没戴眼镜听不清
翻译 皮卡Q
翻译 啾迪
翻译 张三
翻译 长颂
翻译 曉楓
翻译 北辰
校对 dd
《谁杀了加勒特·菲利普斯》
校对 千阳
校对 啾迪
下篇
时间轴 歪逗
时间轴 詹毛毛
帕里什维尔
时间轴 柠檬
时间轴 格物致知
时间轴 千阳
2012年3月
时间轴 辣椒
距离12岁的加勒特·菲利普斯 Six months have passed
纪念加勒特·J·菲利普斯
时间轴 黑眼圈很重
被杀已经过去12个月 since 12-year-old Garrett Phillips was killed.
还加勒特公道
时间轴 布丁
这家人知道没法让他们亲爱的儿子起死回生 Now, the family knows they can't get their loved one back,
还加勒特公道
卡拉·托马斯
他们唯一寻求的就是正义 but all they want now is justice,
压制 ZEYAX
他们通过门前草坪上的装饰 And they're saying it through a new decoration
总监 dd
表达着这一诉求 in their front lawn.
我们只想还加勒特公道 We just want justice for Garrett where,
让那个犯下罪行的人付出代价 you know, somebody pays for the crime that was committed.
他们需要转移注意力 They need to pan up.
我都无法想象他们夜晚睡觉的时候会是怎样的煎熬 I don't know how they can shut their eyes at night.
这件谋杀案的调查还未停止 And the investigation into his murder hasn't stopped,
所以他们只能等待 so they just have to wait.
我只是想通过悬赏的这种方式 It was just a way to try to generate money
鼓励人们站出来说 to maybe get somebody to come forward and say,
如果有任何有关于加勒特·菲利普斯案的线索 请联系波茨坦警察局
我有线索 I have some information.
我们花四万美金来做这件事 We made $40,000 just like that.
悬而未破的谋杀案 帮助我们为加勒特寻找正义 加勒特·菲利普斯 一年前这个12岁男孩被残忍地勒死在了自己家中 奖励40000美金 如果有破案线索 请联系波茨坦警察局
这也算是一大笔钱了 That's a rather large amount of money.
接着很多人 Then everybody and their brother
都想要表示支持 wanted them to show support.
布莱恩·菲利普斯 加特勒的舅舅
比如说你开车经过这个地方 Say you drive by this place,
他们拿着一个标牌 they've got a sign.
这里为加特勒呼吁正义 This place is for Garrett,
这里也为加特勒呼吁正义 this place for Garrett.
一半的时间我们都在等标牌 因为我们有 Half the time we were waiting for signs because we had,
很多人可能也想要这个东西 You know, everybody and their brother would be wanting them.
我们用七美元卖了标牌 And we sold them for seven dollars.
又用这七美元买了新的 That seven dollars bought another sign.
所以我们并没有用此赚钱 So you make nothing off that.
但是大部分人 But most people,
直接给十美元 okay, here's $10.
另外三美元进入悬赏凶手的奖金里 okay, the other three goes into his reward.
但是这样增加了我们的工作量 But it was a lot of work.
本奖励基金用于逮捕和定罪杀害"加勒特·菲利普斯"的凶手 任何有意向"加勒特·菲利普斯基金"捐款的人士可选择支票捐款
尽管如此 But, being that...
因为我有两个孩子 I have two children,
所以我不能出于仇恨 I couldn't go and do something...
而做出什么事 just out of hate,
不然我成了什么人 and then where would I be?
我觉得对于尼克来说 I felt the best thing for... for Nick
坐牢是最好的结果 is to go to prison
为自己的罪行赎罪 and pay for his crime,
也许 and maybe, you know,
他下半辈子都不会幸福了 not have another good day in his life.
一开始看起来很明显 In the beginning it seemed like a slam dunk,
希拉里杀了他 Hillary had done it.
但是突然之间 And then all of a sudden
玛丽莎·沃格尔 邻居
一切就乱了 it's thrown out,
证据不足 there's not enough evidence.
各种真真假假的说法 You kept hearing mixed stories,
这个有证据 这个没证据 There is evidence, there is no evidence.
这个证据充分 这个证据不足 This is good evidence, this is bad evidence.
警察就要赢了 They have a great case,
警察什么证据也没有 they have nothing.
我们仅仅知道的那么一点点信息看起来都很矛盾 What little bit we were getting seemed conflicting.
所以 So it was...
我们一头雾水 We had no idea.
我离开克拉克森之后 When I left Clarkson
立马去了水牛城去当教练 I went immediately to Buffalo to start coaching there.
那是2012年5月 That was in May of 2012.
是水牛城大学校园赛前训练的第一天 First day of preseason at Buffalo on campus
各种各样的标牌开始出现 all those signs started showing up.
当时我就 You know, I was like, oh,
感觉... that's kind of...
伊恩·费尔 克拉克森大学足球教练助理(2009-2012)
有点乱套了 That's kind of messed up.
就像 他们是专门针对我 Like, and they're there for me.
我是唯一一个与这个案子有关的人 I was the only one connected to the case.
波茨坦和水牛城相距很远 Buffalo is really far from Potsdam.
当他把这个故事告诉我们时 When he told us that story it was, like,
感觉就像有好几股力量在这里交锋 there's a lot of forces at play here.
那意味着并且是在告诉我 That symbolizes and tells me that,
"还加勒特公道"这个标牌 you know, the Justice for Garrett signs
奥拉尔·尼克·希拉里 克拉克森大学男子橄榄球队教练 坦迪·赛勒斯的前男友
是一种暗语 is one way of discreetly saying,
把尼克·希拉里绳之以法 let's get Nick Hillary for this.
在2013年1月的时候我结束了在水牛城的工作 But then I stopped working at Buffalo in January 2013.
正好是刚刚过完年 It was right at the turn of the year...
回到 went back to my...
短暂地和我的父母一起住在奥韦戈 lived with my parents briefly in Owego...
一个远离波茨坦的小镇 Some small town far from Potsdam,
波及到他住的街道 pulled onto his street, you know,
路边都是"为加特勒寻求正义"的标牌 and there are Justice for Garrett signs down the road.
某人并不需要认同伊恩·费利尔说的话 Somebody doesn't necessarily like what Ian Fairlie is saying.
娜塔莎·哈弗蒂 北方公共广播电台记者
你懂的 我觉得就像 You know, I think that's, like,
一种抗议方法 kind of an objective thing you can deduce.
但不管你想做什么 Whatever you're trying to do,
这种方式只是让人觉得 You're really just making yourselves
不寒而栗又歇斯底里 look really, really creepy and desperate.
再见 Later.
好的 上学愉快 All right. Have a good one, bud.
我可以搬走 离开这 I could move, leave,
但显然我不能那么做 but obviously I can't really do that
因为我们家扎根在这里 because my family is still very much soil entrenched there.
解决了一个 还剩一个 One down, one to go.
尼克·希拉里在约会坦迪前 和斯塔西亚·李有五个孩子
他目前失业 在家全职照顾孩子
最恰当的形容方式就是 The best way for me to put it,
我在过被拘捕在家的生活 It's like living on house arrest.
要精确计算自己在 To have to calculate your every move that
社区里做的每一件事的影响 you are going to make within the community
真的让我损失惨重 really takes a toll on you.
没人再像以前那样看我了 Nobody will ever look at you the same way.
没人再像以前那样和我交往了 Nobody wants to interact with you the same way.
嘿 Hi.
嘿 你怎么样 Hi, how are you?
你想要一些牛奶吗 You want some milk?
好的 Okay.
好了 喝吧 Here we go, come on.
洛洛 过来 Come, Lolo.
好吧 All right.
我想如果我表现得软弱不堪 I think if my demeanor was on the weaker side,
那孩子们的生活会更加痛苦 then I think they would... suffer a lot more.
怎么了 What happened?
我希望 You know, hopefully,
上帝会让他们保持坚强 God will continue to keep them strong.
所以当他那天离开警局的时候 So when he left the police station that day,
情况不是那种 it wasn't just, Oh, you know,
"啊我在警察局待了几个小时" I was at the police station
-那么轻松 -他的人生发生了巨变 - for a couple of hours. - His life changed.
他的生活完全被毁掉了 His life was completely destroyed.
丽莎·马尔科西亚&曼尼·塔法里 律师
克拉克森大学不让他回去工作 Clarkson University didn't want him back on campus.
大众就认定了 The public had already said,
"没错了 他就是凶手" Okay, well, this is their guy.
那就是他生活覆灭的开端 It was really the beginning of the destruction of his life.
克拉克森大学一名教练正式向 A Clarkson coach has filed a notice of claim
波茨坦村警方提出索赔 against the Village of Potsdam,
克拉克森大学教练称自己与谋杀案并无关联
他的律师称 and his attorney says
将尽快提出民事诉讼 a civil lawsuit will follow in the near future.
当事人称这项索赔是根据 He says the notice of claim is being made
调查过程中 for injuries and damages
自己所承受的伤害和损失提出的 sustained during the investigation,
索赔项目包含非法逮捕 including claims for false arrest,
非法拘留 illegal detention,
非法搜查和没收 illegal search and seizure,
精神损失 emotional distress,
和诽谤中伤 and defamation.
希拉里的律师称 Hillary's attorney says
已经尽全力配合调查 that his client has handled the situation the best he can.
希拉里先生在整个过程中 Well, Mr. Hillary has conducted himself
正在连线 曼尼·塔法里 希拉里的律师
向波茨坦索赔
都表现得非常得体 With extreme dignity throughout this entire process.
而且希拉里先生相信法律公正 也相信事实真相 And Mr. Hillary has faith in justice and also the truth.
对我们而言 尼克的案子并不仅限于它本身 For us Nick's case has always been bigger than Nick.
它事关整个司法制度 It's about our justice system as a whole.
我们都想做能让自己的子女引以为傲的事 You want to do things that your kids are going to be proud of,
所以我认为我们是在为正义而战 And so I think that we've been trying to fight the good fight.
-早啊 -早 亲爱的 - Hey. - Hi, sweetie!
你好啊 Hello.
兄弟们来击个掌 Hey, guys, high-five!
我把球往围栏踢 I threw the ball to the bars.
他抱着孩子也能接住 He catches the ball with a baby in his hands.
好了好了 That's it. That's it.
又不是第一次抱孩子 You know it's not the first baby.
踢给尼克 Kick to Nick.
把球踢给尼克 Kick it to Nick.
这不是那种 This is not one of those situations
你睡一觉起来 wherein which you just get up in the morning
就能抛到脑后 and is able to say,
"不沉湎于过去 Okay, you know, that happened yesterday.
积极展望未来"之类的情况 Let me forget about it and move forward.
克拉克森足球教练向波茨坦村警方提出索赔
卧...了...个...槽
全镇人都觉得是他干的
在凶杀案面前他居然还提起法律诉讼... 真是太"高尚"了 作为那个可怜的小孩的母亲的前男友... 真是彻底表明了他有多么冷漠 不愧是黑崽子 一切向钱看
民事诉讼对我而言只是一个开始 The civil case was the initial step for me in starting the process.
还打种族牌 真是个杂碎
一个慢慢抹去他们造成的影响的进程的开始 To slowly erase what they had started
他们瓦解 in terms of...
并摧毁了我在此之前努力为我自己 deconstructing, demolishing, everything that I have earned
和子孙后代所争取到的一切 and built as a legacy up until that point in time.
波茨坦警方聘请了民事辩护律师 汤姆·莫塔蒂来评估尼克·希拉里 民事诉讼中提出的赔偿要求
在波茨坦男孩遇害案中接受问话的克拉克森教练 威胁将提出法律诉讼
我是在2012年一月初 This was in early January of 2012,
第一次听说这件事的 and that's the first time I'd heard of it.
在那之前 I had no understanding of this incident,
托马斯·J.·莫塔蒂 波茨坦警方辩护律师
我完全不了解情况 the crime taking place,
对那起案件一无所知 or anything, until that day.
一般我接到赔偿诉求 One of the things I typically do when I first get a claim
我都会去谷歌搜一下 is I do a Google search.
12岁波茨坦男孩身亡 警方认定其为凶杀案
蒂施勒:无可疑对象或嫌疑人
天啊 Holy smokes,
警方继续侦查男孩之死
这是个谋杀案 this is a murder case.
克拉克森教练对波茨坦警方提起诉讼
如果他坚持提出诉讼 If he goes forward with a civil suit,
我的辩护就会成为对他的指证 My defense is going to be an offense against him.
我就需要去调查他 I'm going to go after him
去证明他确实是凶手 to show that he committed this crime.
如果这最终能帮到警方或者公检方 If that ends up benefiting the police and the district attorney,
那就再好不过了 fantastic.
他们的调查在某种程度上毫无进展 They're somewhat stymied in their investigation.
最新进展:男童之死令警方迷惑不已
他们在等待线索浮现 They're waiting for something to come up.
他们当时就取了尼克的DNA They took Nick's DNA right away.
奥拉尔·希拉里 无法被列为嫌疑人 但也无法排除嫌疑
没有匹配的DNA There was no match of the DNA,
也没有匹配的指纹 no match of the fingerprints,
没有任何东西能证明尼克和这个案子有关 you know, nothing tying Nick to the crime.
而我之所以能确定 是因为 And that's obviously confirmed
但凡DNA比对有结果 because had there been a DNA match
尼科尔·杜威肯定会立刻起诉他的 对吧 I'm sure Nicole Duve Would have brought an indictment against him, right?
地方检察官只说 The district attorney will only say
案件还在调查中 it remains an open investigation.
每个与此案相关的人 Everybody associated with this case continues
尼科尔·杜威 地方检察官
都在辛勤工作 追随每一条线索 to work very diligently, following up every possible lead.
但不幸的是 Unfortunately sometimes
有些案件很耗时 these kinds of cases take time.
这就属于那类案件 This is one of those kinds of cases.
她知道什么证据都没有 She knew there was nothing,
因此她也没有任何行动 and therefore she did nothing.
现在距离12岁男孩 Well, it's been nearly two years
加勒特·菲利普斯在波茨坦被杀已经快两年了 since 12-year-old Garrett Phillips was killed in Potsdam.
尽管警方尚未逮捕任何嫌疑人 While no arrests have been made yet,
其亲属仍然保持乐观态度 The family holds onto hope that one day
相信凶手有朝一日会被绳之以法 the person responsible will be brought to justice.
他心肠很好 Um, he loved everybody.
坦迪·塞勒斯 加勒特的母亲
他舍己为人 He'd do anything for anybody.
是个很好的孩子 He was a great kid.
我只希望人们能够 All's I would really ask the people
继续在报纸上报道这件事 is to still keep putting little clips in the paper,
保持舆论压力 keeping the pressure on,
这样它就不会 so that it's just not, you know,
被警方抛诸脑后 left on somebody's desk.
纽约州警犯罪实验中心要求再次 将尼克·希拉里的DNA与加勒特指缝内 残留物DNA进行比对
此次比对使用了名为"真等位"的软件 结果显示"无数据支持"二者匹配
为什么会没有证据 Why is there no evidence?
没有法医报告 Why was there no forensics,
W.T.埃克特 水城日报记者
没有指纹 什么都没有 no fingerprints, no anything?
而且一直到玛丽·雷恩 And it really wasn't until Mary Rain,
随着雷恩和杜威的公告发布 圣劳伦斯郡地方检察官的赛跑开始了
开始参与竞选 when she ran for office,
才有人开始真正推动这个案件的进展 she started really pushing for some advancements in this case.
12岁男孩加勒特·菲利普斯悬案成为 The unsolved murder of 12-year-old Garrett Phillips taking center stage
雷恩痛斥地方检察官工作成果
共和党地检竞选人玛丽·雷恩在周三的政治集会上的 at a political rally for GOP district attorney hopeful,
主要议题 Mary Rain, Wednesday.
在加勒特母亲的注视下 With Garrett's mother at her side,
雷恩保证如果当选 Rain promised that
她会与警方携手找出凶手 并将他们 if elected she would work with police to find Garrett's killer
绳之以法 and bring them to justice.
我向坦迪说过 I explained to Tandy that
如果他们能去参加州里的竞选活动 if they came to the campaign stop in Canton
玛丽·雷恩 圣劳伦斯县地方检察官候选人
我就能够把加勒特的案子提到第一位 并再次 that I would bring Garrett's case to the forefront to, again,
增加其热度 保持其活跃度 give it more publicity and keep it alive.
时至今日 杀害加勒特的凶手应该已经被逮捕归案 Garrett's murderer should be behind bars at this point,
但他并没有 but he's not.
而这是我们的地方检察官办公室 And that's all because of the ineffective
办事不力的结果 incompetence of our district attorney's office.
利用一个悲伤的家庭的情绪来为自己做宣传 It is unfortunate and disheartening
杜威反击地检夺擂者
真的是十分悲哀且令人心碎的手段 that someone would play on the emotions of a grieving family
在政治竞选当中 during a political campaign.
受够了吗 给雷恩投票吧 竞选地方检察官
玛丽·雷恩在其竞选的关键时刻 Mary Rain has made two unsolved murders
玛丽·雷恩 2013年9月18日 收到了来自劳伦斯·克里格 迪恩·劳布舍尔及其他第二修正案支持者的支持
遇上了两宗未破的谋杀案 the lynchpin of her campaign,
玛丽·雷恩 2013年9月18日 在"新闻发布会"相册中添加了一张新照片
并责怪杜威不将他们定罪 blaming Duve for not getting convictions.
她在做承诺 She's making a promise.
这只是表明了 It just goes to show
她要做什么 what she was about,
以及我面临的情况 and the situation that I was up against.
人们怒不可遏 People get up in arms,
人们投票选举总统 and people go and vote for presidents,
选举国会议员 他们却不知道 and congress people, and they don't understand
这样的职位会影响你的一生 that the one position that will affect your life,
甚至可能会让你余生深陷囹圄 that will possibly send you to jail for the rest of your life,
即使你是无辜的 even if you're innocent,
这个职位就是检察官 is that of a prosecutor.
而且也无法阻拦 And there's absolutely
那些渴望名利 no checks on power-hungry people
且有意愿 who are willing or who have a willingness
以毁掉他人的人生为代价 to destroy a man's life
来飞黄腾达的人这么做 to advance their careers.
如果你没有一个计划 If you don't have a plan,
你就注定会一次又一次地 you're doomed to commit the same errors
犯同样的错误 over and over and over again.
比如驳回上诉 And that includes dismissals,
大陪审团解散 grand jury dismissals,
审判无罪 acquittals at trial...
我向你们保证 Let me assure you that
我们并没有对调查懈怠 好吗 there is no lack of vigor in that investigation, okay?
我可以向你们保证这一点 So I can promise you that.
我当时在纽约州北部行驶 I was just driving in the North Country...
那些标牌就开始出现了 These signs had begun to pop up,
还加勒特公道 Justice for Garrett.
我就给尼科尔打电话了 因为 And I called Nicole because
悬而未破的谋杀案
这起小男孩的谋杀案逐渐成为一桩政治事件 the murder of this young boy was becoming a political issue,
威廉·J·菲兹帕特里克 奥农多加县地方检察官
这就有点让人反感了 which can be a little distasteful.
玛丽·雷恩 2013年9月18日 与菲利普·加勒特的母亲时刻铭记逝去的小男孩
所以我打电话给她 讨论了她的政治前途 So I called her and discussed her political future,
她给我发了一份案件的简要摘要 and she sent me a bare-bones summary of the case.
再次选举杜威为地方检察官
我大概是在 And I probably called her back,
两天后回电她的 you know, two days later,
大体上是这么说的 and in words or substance said,
尼科尔·杜威 圣劳伦斯县 地方检察官
这人为什么没有上手铐 you know, why isn't this guy in handcuffs?
我还说 这听起来 And I said, this sounds like something
对国家检察官协会的 that would be amenable for the Mutual Assistance
互助委员会来说 是能够接受的 Committee of the State D.A.'s Association,
这个委员会是 which is a committee that
我几年前设立的 I had formed years earlier.
我们将召集一群 And we'll put together a panel of very,
尼科尔·杜威 圣劳伦斯县 地方检察官
非常有经验的凶杀案检察官 very experienced homicide prosecutors.
而她却没有利用这个机会 And she did not avail herself of that opportunity
无论出于何种原因 for whatever reason.
我的理解是 My understanding is that
她觉得她没有掌握到足够的证据 she thought that she didn't have enough evidence,
而她拒绝了他们的提议 and she declined their offer,
这是暗示 如果她接受了会显示她很软弱 indicating that it would make her look weak.
玛丽·雷恩还需要为自己的前科辩护 Mary Rain has also had to defend her record.
她是于2011年辞去公设辩护人职位的 She resigned as county public defender in 2011,
圣劳伦斯县公设辩护人玛丽·雷恩辞职
理由是案件工作量超出了负荷 citing an overwhelming caseload.
但那时她早就被剥夺了对办公室的运作监督权 But that was after she was stripped of operational oversight of her office
而且还休了行政假 and put on administrative leave.
如果像她说的 在她任职公设辩护人的时候 If she couldn't handle the workload, as she had said,
她应付不了如此的工作量 when she was in the public defender's office,
那她又怎么处理 how would she handle the workload
县检察长的工作量呢 as the lead prosecutor in the county,
那可有很多犯罪案件要处理的 where there is plenty of crime?
看看这个结果 Watching the results,
民主党人尼科尔·杜威 Nicole Duve the democrat
确实是遥遥领先的 actually had a pretty big lead,
但那是在很多选区开始报道之前的情况 but that was before a lot of the precincts started reporting in.
玛丽·雷恩 竞选地方检察官
当选举步入最后阶段时 And as we got closer to 100%,
结果却大反转 the numbers flipped completely,
尼科尔·杜威败选了 and in fact Nicole Duve has been beat.
我还有很多事要做 I have a lot of work ahead of me.
我迫不及待开始工作了 I can't wait to get started,
想要全身心投入 and I want to dive right in.
玛丽·雷恩 2011年11月15日 官方结果 缺席的选票已计算在内 我胜选了
我告诉坦迪 What I told Tandy is
这将是我的无上荣幸 that would be my top priority
坦迪·赛勒斯: 我从不怀疑 这是民心所向
在一月一日来办公室任职 when I came into office January 1st.
其实在我11月当选以后 Actually after I got elected in November
我给比尔·菲茨帕特里克打了电话 I contacted Bill Fitzpatrick,
他是奥农多加县的地方检察官 who is the district attorney of Onondaga County.
他还是互助委员会的主席 He's also the committee chair for the Mutual Assistance Committee.
他说他对这起案件已经了然于胸 And he said he was very familiar with the case already.
我会召集五名检察官 I'll put together five prosecutors,
来复查此案 and we'll review it.
他们没有确凿的证据 They don't have any smoking guns.
监控录像 体育馆后门
监控录像 体育馆停车场
也许在当时 最重要的 Perhaps the most important bit of information
调查员反复观察的一段资料 that the investigators were looking at, at that time,
是波茨坦中学的一段监控录像 was the Potsdam High School security camera video
显示有一辆疑似希拉里先生的车 that had a vehicle consistent with Mr. Hillary's vehicle
来到了波茨坦中学的停车场 coming into the parking lot at Potsdam High School.
调查员加里·斯内尔 Investigator, what, Gary Snell,
一位州警和马克·默里 who's the state trooper, and Mark Murray.
这两位又来到了我家门前找我 So the two showed up at my door again to check in on me,
他们问 我们能进来吗 and they were like, can we come in?
我说 不行 And I was like, no.
他们就站在门口 So they're just standing in the doorway.
把手提电脑拿出来 They pulled out this laptop
跟我说 and they're like, you know,
我们想给你看看这段录像 we want to show you this video.
请你知道 Please know it's...
这时间线有问题 The timeline isn't right.
视频是未编辑过的 It's just kind of unedited.
纽约州警察局 实验室第11HL04833号 波茨坦市中心中学 视频序列 第83条
监控录像 健身房停车场
好吧 我们来看看 Okay, let's see it.
这段视频显示是 So they're, you know, you see this
尼克正准备停车 video of Nick's car pulling in.
他们问我 你认得那辆车吗 They're like, do you recognize that car?
我说认识 那是尼克的车 Yeah, that's Nick's car.
然后他们切到了另一段视频 Then they split to this different video,
是加勒特在滑滑板 and it's Garrett, like, skateboarding.
他们问 你认得他吗 They're like, do you recognize that?
我说认得 那是加勒特 I was like, it's Garrett.
他们就说 非常好 And they're like, great.
然后他们又切到了另一段视频 And then they kind of split to this other video.
尼克正准备离开 And it's Nick leaving,
而这只是开头 and kind of always prefacing,
还没有结束 that this is not...this isn't the final cut.
然后尼克离开了 And then, like, Nick leaves,
他们就问我 and they're like,
他会沿哪条路回家呢 well, what way would he go to his house?
我说他会向右走 I was like, well, he would take a right.
他们告诉我 他向左走了 And they're like, well, he took a left.
好了 你有什么想法 Okay. How does this make you feel?
看完这些视频 You know, after seeing this,
有什么事情会让你有不同看法吗 does anything make you think differently?
有什么改观吗 Does it change it?
什么都没有 Doesn't do anything.
然后涌现了很多小念头 And then it just kind of stumbled and kept like,
那如果他是沿着这条路走呢 what if he followed him down this way? .
他做了这个会怎样 What if he did this?
做了那个又会怎样 What if he did that?
我当时说 兄弟 I'm like, guys,
只能看出他开车进校然后离开 it just showed him pulling into the school and leaving the school,
加勒特恰巧出现而已 and at one point Garrett.
我不觉得有什么意义 And just...It didn't make me feel anything.
我觉得事实摆在眼前了吧 For me that was kind of the clincher.
马克·默里 波茨坦警局首席调查官
他那天尾随加勒特·菲利普斯回家 He followed Garrett Phillips home that day.
我对录像就这看法 I mean, that's my take on the video.
这 你怎么反驳得了 That's... How do you refute that?
但是我们没拍到车牌号 But we didn't have a license plate.
我们不知道谁开的车 We didn't know who was driving the car.
我们不知道谁在车里 We didn't know who was in the car.
经过车辆
这不像《犯罪现场调查》 It's not like CSI.
这和电影不一样 It's not like the movies.
我们来放大看下车牌号 Let's zoom in on the license plate,
尾随关注对象出停车场
甚至放大来看是谁开的车 or better yet, let's zoom in on the person behind the wheel.
驾车经过车辆后方 面朝体育馆后方走过车辆
那是尼克·希拉里 我们抓住他了 Oh, that's Nick Hillary, we got him.
不是那样的 Doesn't work that way.
日期是2014年1月20日 The date is January 20th, 2014.
时间是10点8分 The time is 10:08.
曼尼·塔法里代表奥拉尔·尼克·希拉里先生 Mani Tafari for Mr. Oral Nicholas Hillary.
四人联合律所的汤姆斯·莫塔蒂 Thomas Mortati of Burke, Scolamiero, Mortati, and Hurd,
代表被告 for the defendants.
我和律所的阿曼达·沙尔曼一同出庭 And I'm here with Amanda Sherman of my office,
为被告埃德华德·蒂施勒和马克·默里辩护 as well as defendants Edward Tischler and Mark Murray.
这起民事诉讼将会颠覆走向 The civil suit is going to be a game-changer,
因为他们最想约谈的那个人 because the one person they really wanted to speak to the most,
在10月26日基本是拒绝谈话 who basically said, I'm not talking to you anymore, on October 26th,
现在不仅愿意开口 is now not only going to talk to them,
还宣誓句句属实 but he's going to do it under oath.
早上好 希拉里先生 Good morning, Mr. Hillary.
如你所知 我是汤姆·莫塔蒂 As you know, my name is Tom Mortati
我在你提起的诉讼中代表被告 And I represent the defendants in a lawsuit that you have brought.
今天是来获取你的证词 And we're going to be here doing your deposition today.
先说一些基本法则 Just a couple of ground rules,
我知道你和我 I know you and I...
你不能瞎编故事 You can't make this stuff up.
在我的民事诉讼生涯中 I've been working in a civil career as an attorney
我在各种案件中都当过辩护律师 doing defense work of one kind or another.
我从没见过跟这有一丁点相似的案子 I've never, ever come across anything even remotely similar to this,
大概以后也不会 nor likely will I ever.
2011年10月24日 星期一 Monday, October 24, 2011,
我想先从那天早上说起 I want to start with the beginning of the day.
还记得你那天几点起床的吗 Do you recall when you got up that day?
反对 与本案无关 Objection, relevance.
我一般早上六点半起床 I typically get up around 6:30 in the morning.
人们为避免回答被记录而反对 People object for the record.
你就算是看对方的证词 If you look even at the other side's deposition,
汤姆·莫塔蒂 代表警方的律师 Tom Mortati, the attorney for the Village
也反对了很多次 is objecting also quite a lot.
你当时驾驶的哪种车辆 先生 What vehicle were you driving, sir?
反对 与本案无关 Objection, relevance.
我自己的车 I was driving my vehicle.
那是什么车 What vehicle is that?
一辆本田 A Honda.
你能告诉我车型 Can you tell me the make and model...
或型号与生产年份吗 or rather the model and year?
反对 与本案无关 Objection, relevance.
是一辆209款CRV It's a CRV, 209.
我当时 说实话 I was... to be honest with you,
我当时很惊讶 I was, um, surprised
首先 他居然愿意跟我说这些东西 that he was even talking to me, first of all, about any of this stuff.
2009年 2009.
淡蓝色 Light blue?
对 That is correct.
我当然很高兴 I was pleased obviously.
我的工作是为警方辩护 I mean, my job is to defend the police.
而我为警方辩护的本质 And again, my defense of the police is essentially
就是调查本案 to investigate this crime
并证明此人就是罪犯 and prove that this guy did it.
挺好的 This is great,
大家都很好奇 被起诉有什么好 and everyone's like, why is this great for you being sued?
因为 他们得 Well, they have to...
他终于必须给回应了 He finally has to answer questions.
你记得2011年10月24日那天下午 Do you recall entering The Potsdam High School parking lot
开车进入波茨坦高中的停车场吗 with... in your vehicle that afternoon, October 24th, 2011?
反对 与本案无关 Objection, relevance.
记得 Yes.
你那天为什么要进波茨坦高中 Why were you going to Potsdam High School that day?
反对 与本案无关 Objection, relevance.
去看足球赛 To watch a soccer game.
你在停车场的时候都做了些什么 And what did you do while you were in the parking spot?
反对 与本案无关 Objection, relevance.
等雨停下 Waiting for the rain to break.
-雨停了吗 -没有 - Did it break? - No.
然后你去了哪 And where did you go?
我回家了 I went home.
-要休庭吗 -好 - Need a break? - Yeah.
我们两小时后休庭了 We took a break after about two hours.
在波茨坦警局楼上 And upstairs in the Potsdam Police Department
待着几位纽约州警 are several members of the New York State Police.
我上楼 走进去说 I went upstairs, walked in and said,
他不仅开口了 not only is he talking,
他还承认自己在那个时候 but he just put himself in that car
的确在停车场的那辆车里 in that parking lot at that time.
他们都非常震惊 And they were all absolutely amazed.
然后就让我下楼去 And basically it was, okay, get back down there.
继续问他更多问题 keep asking him more questions.
我没有什么好藏的 I have nothing to hide.
但我在法庭发言 But me talking to you
和跟一群玩花样的警察 versus talking to a group of police officers,
私下面谈 who's trying tricks and trades,
完全是两码事 it's two total different things.
有速记员在记录我的发言 There's a stenographer who is taking down what I'm saying.
有真心为我的利益着想的律师在场支持 There is an attorney who have my best interest at hand, who's here,
这种情况就可以提问了 and you're getting to ask your questions.
希拉里先生 你知不知道 Mr. Hillary, are you aware that, um,
大概在你离开波茨坦高中的停车场 approximately seven seconds before you left
开上勒罗伊街的七秒前 the Potsdam High School parking lot onto Leroy Street,
加勒特·菲利普斯也同样离开停车场 Garrett Phillips left the Potsdam High School
并走上了勒罗伊街 parking lot onto Leroy Street?
反对 与本案无关 Objection, relevance.
假设的事实没有证据证明 Calls for facts not yet in evidence.
不知道 No.
你在那停车场里完全 And you didn't see Garrett Phillips at all
-没有看到加勒特·菲利普斯 是吗 -反对 - in that parking lot, correct? - Objection,
已问已答 与本案无关 asked and answered, relevance.
没有 No.
希拉里先生 你知不知道加勒特·菲利普斯 Mr. Hillary, are you aware that Garrett Phillips
那天下午离开学校停车场后 turned left out of the Potsdam High School parking lot
是往左拐的 that afternoon as he left Potsdam High School?
反对 与本案无关 Objection, relevance.
不知道 No.
你知不知道 希拉里先生 Are you aware, Mr. Hillary,
有监控录像显示 that there is security camera video
你和加勒特·菲利普斯方向一致 that shows you turning left in the same direction as Garrett Phillips
那天下午出学校停车场后 exiting Potsdam High School parking lot
你开车蓝色本田CRV左转了 in your blue Honda CRV that afternoon?
反对 与本案无关 假设的事实没有证据证明 Objection, relevance, assumed facts not yet in evidence.
-不知道 -取证过程 - No. - During the deposition
民事律师汤姆·莫塔蒂 the civil attorney Tom Mortati
技巧精湛 节奏缓慢 very masterfully walked him through, painstakingly slow,
对他进行出色的盘问 a fantastic cross-examination
还原他在2011年10月24日的所作所为 of exactly everything he did on October 24th, 2011.
如果出停车场后要左转回家 If you turned left out of the parking lot to go home to your apartment,
要走哪条路 what route did you take?
他精湛的工作 Through his masterful job,
加上我们有的证据 along with the evidence that we had,
我们能够成立案件 we were able to compile a case.
你在50-h审问[由市政方进行]中提到 And I believe you testified in the 50-h examination
你直接回家了 that you went straight home
答:回家了
那天下午你离开波茨坦高中之后 after you left the Potsdam High School that afternoon.
他加了俩字 He added the word,
你不是说"直接"回家了吗 Oh, you said you went straight home.
我没有说我"直接"回家了 No, I didn't say that I went straight home.
我说我回家了 I said I went home.
希拉里先生 Mr. Hillary,
你的公寓是在勒鲁瓦街上 Your apartment was to the right up Leroy Street
波茨坦高中的右边 是吗 from Potsdam High School, correct?
是的 Yes.
你在两次审讯都宣誓回答过 And you've told me under oath on two different occasions
那天离开学校停车场后你回家了 that you went home that day, leaving Potsdam High School parking lot.
-是吗 -是的 - Correct? - Yes.
最快的路线 The fastest way for you to get from your...
从波茨坦中学停车场到你的公寓 from the Potsdam High School parking lot to your apartment
是在停车场右转进入勒鲁瓦街 would be to turn right out of the parking lot onto Leroy Street
然后朝着你公寓的方向走 to go in the direction of your apartment?
-再说一遍 -好的 - Do that one again. - Sure.
对你来说最快的回家路线 And the fastest way for you to get to your apartment,
是从波茨坦中学驶出 driving from Potsdam High School,
离开停车场 would be to exit the parking lot
然后右转到勒鲁瓦街上 是吗 and to turn right onto Leroy Street, correct?
是的 Yes.
如果你出停车场后左转 And if you made a left out of that parking lot,
加特勒·菲利普斯正走在勒鲁瓦街的人行横道上 and Garrett Phillips was on the sidewalk on Leroy Street,
大概比你快七八秒钟的样子 approximately seven to eight seconds ahead of you,
你的证词是你在开车的时候 is your testimony you never saw him at any point
从来没有看到过他 while you were doing that?
反对 已问已答 Objection, asked and answered,
复合式问题 compound.
是的 That is correct.
他们搞得好像我住在200英里外 They have made it seem as if I lived 200 miles away.
我不应该出现在附近 I was not supposed to be in that area.
一般来说我出停车场左转的话 Typically if I make a left out of the parking lot
是去看我的教练助理的 I would be checking in with my assistant coach,
他住在花园街 who lived on Garden Street,
如果我在附近 which is what I would normally do,
-一般就会那么做 -你那天下午也是吗 - if I'm in the area. - You did that afternoon?
我记不清了 I cannot recall.
回家路上顺便去看看 You know, going to try and see if he was home
他那时候是否在家 at that point in time on my way home.
这十分正常 有时我们的行为 It's normal, you know, sometimes we often do things
就是出于习惯而已 just because it's what we consistently do.
你不记得那天下午是否 You don't recall whether or not you
顺路造访了费利尔先生在花园街的家 stopped into Mr. Fairlie's apartment on Garden Street that afternoon?
是的 That is correct.
在2014年5月12日 地方检察官玛丽·雷恩向大陪审团展示证据 以获得起诉尼克·希拉里二级谋杀罪的允许
确认一下 Just to be clear,
这是此案的最高指控 如果成立他将面临25年刑罚
你离开学校停车场后回家了 对吗 you left Potsdam High School parking lot to go home, right?
是的 Yes.
大陪审团审理中 不得入内
但是你没有印象有没有去... But you have no recollection as to whether or not...?
大陪审团花了超过4天 The grand jury spent over a four-day period
玛丽·雷恩 圣劳伦斯县地方检察官
来审阅证据 looking at the evidence,
可见证据量之大 so there is a significant amount of evidence.
雷恩说他们有实物证据和间接证据 Rain says they have both physical and circumstantial evidence,
有些在尼克·希拉里对波茨坦政方 some that came out recently during Hillary's deposition
提起的诽谤诉讼取证中被发现 from his civil suit against the Village of Potsdam for defamation.
三天之后 大陪审团同意起诉
尼克·希拉里被逮捕
我是完全无辜的 I'm 100% innocent,
完完全全无辜的 100% innocent.
我只想说这些 That's all I have to say.
我是在做梦吗 Am I really living in a dream right now,
还是这就是现实 or this is really happening?
克拉克森足球教练希拉里 因涉嫌谋杀加特勒·菲利普斯被捕(视频)
圣劳伦斯县监狱
地方检察办公室 Everything that could have been done possible
为了避免我脱罪 to prevent me from getting my freedom
使出了浑身解数 by the district attorney's office was done.
我在监狱里被关了70天 For 70 days I was held in jail,
圣劳伦斯县监狱
每次有听证会 and every time there was a hearing
一些新证据就会浮出水面 something new would come to the surface
需要更多的时间去发掘 that required more time to explore,
意味着我又得被关回监狱 which means I get to put sent back to jail
等待他们发掘证据 while they let it get explored.
玛丽·雷恩 希拉里在之后三周内候审不得被保释 听证会将持续到6月20日 谢谢副手戴夫·哈格德利用25年财务经验 解决保释问题并避免希拉里出狱
在那里面待了70天 To have lived that for 70 days, you know,
给了我足够动力去反抗 has definitely given me a certain level of drive to fight
去采取必要行动 and do whatever it is for me to do,
不再被周围环境所束缚 not to see the walls of those environments ever again.
2个月之后 希拉里的保释听证会得以恢复
最终法官做了决定 Finally the judge decided, okay,
闹剧差不多该结束了 pretty much enough was enough.
2014年7月 尼克·希拉里被保释出狱
*你把皮带放哪里了呀* *Where did you put your belt*
就在这里 Right here.
慢慢走 Okay. Please walk.
爱你哦 Love you!
早上好 Good morning.
那是谁 Who's that?
莎娜 Shanna.
是的 Yeah!
莎娜醒了 是吧 Shanna is awake, huh?
是的 Yes.
我们很感激 Oh, we're grateful.
莎娜-凯·希拉里是尼克的大女儿 她在克拉克森大学读书
出事之前 Before the whole thing I was,
我和所有人都是朋友 无忧无虑 like, friends with everybody, you know, carefree.
我是这一块的人 Well, I'm from around the area,
莎娜-凯·希拉里 波茨坦高中
我知道这是所好学校 and I know it's a fantastic school.
我想融入这个集体 And I wanted to be part of the community here.
克拉克森大学
现在我必须要很谨慎 Now you have to be, like, vigilant,
得时时留意一切 And you have to pay attention to everything.
不能说错话 You can't say the wrong things,
不能和错误的人说话 you can't talk to the wrong people,
不能去一些地方 You can't go to, like, certain places.
莎娜-凯在大陪审团前作证时还是高中生
我是他的一部分 I'm part of his, like,
事发的时候你在哪里 where were you when this whole thing went down?
我当时和我爸爸在一起 So, I was with my dad at that time.
他们就要求我 So they needed me to, like,
确认案发当时 cement that, that I was where I was with him
我的确和爸爸在一起 when whatever was happening. So...
确认一下时间线 Just so I understand the chronology,
你女儿从学校到家 your daughter arrived home
大概在4:30 对吗 from school at approximately 4:30, is that correct?
是的 Around 4:30.
那天我有足球训练 Well, that day I had soccer practice,
训练完回来我爸已经在家了 so I came home from soccer and my dad was there.
如果你的女儿大约下午4:30到家 So if your daughter arrived home at or about 4:30 P.M. on that afternoon,
那你离开波茨坦中学 then you would've left for Potsdam High School
大约就是4:35或4:40左右 at approximately 4:35 or 4:40 P.M.?
差不多 Around there.
加特勒最后出现在高中停车场的时间是4:52分 The last we see of Garrett in the high school parking lot is at 4:52.
如果我们假设 And if we presume that he
他那之后直接回家 went straight home afterwards,
按照他滑板的速度 it's about a six-minute ride
他回到家需要大概6分钟 going at the speed he was going on his RipStik.
他经过了几个医院的监控摄像头 He passed by some hospital cameras.
尼克·希拉里4:53开车离开了 Nick Hillary pulled out at 4:53.
波茨坦警察局 The call came in to
接到报警电话的时间是5:08 the Village of Potsdam Police Department at 5:08.
波茨坦警察局 调度员施耐德 Potsdam Police, Dispatcher Schneider.
玛丽莎·沃格尔 邻居
警局调度员 波兹坦警局
你好 我叫玛丽莎·沃格尔 我有... Hi, my name is Marissa Vogel, and I have...
但是你必须倒推时间因为... But you have to backtrack a little bit because...
不知道该不该报警 not sure if I should call or not.
至少得花两分钟 It's at least two minutes that
那两位邻居才能辨清动静 Sean Hall and Marissa Vogel took to stop, listen,
然后决定自己的行动 and then determine what they were going to do.
保守估计要往回算两分钟 So a very conservative estimate would be two minutes.
所以死亡时间就是5:06 So now you're putting the time of death at 5:06.
可以划个较准的时间范围 So you have a very tight timeline
学校监控在4:53捕捉到希拉里 of 4:53 when we last see Hillary on the high school video,
而推测案发时间在5:06 to 5:06 when we believe the murder occurred.
他完全有时间开过两个街区 That would've given him enough time to go down two blocks,
停好车 park the car...
别忘了 他特别壮 And you have to remember,he's extremely fit.
他不止六块腹肌 He's not only got a six-pack,
他可是有八块腹肌啊 he's got an eight-pack.
真的非常壮 He's very, very fit,
跑两街区到加勒特家 and to jog two blocks to get to Garrett's home
案发现场
学校停车场
他最多花45秒 wouldn't take but 45 seconds, max, for him.
我们猜想他有钥匙 We believe he had a key.
把门打开后 We believe he opened the door,
加勒特认出他了 Garrett recognized that it was him,
想把他推出去 tried to push him back out,
接着往后退 and then tried to retreat,
最后被杀了 and he was murdered.
你回到自己家时 And when you arrived home at your apartment,
家里有人吗 was anyone there?
有 Yes.
你女儿 莎娜-凯吗 Your daughter, Shanna-Kay?
-反对 与本案无关 -对 - Objection, relevance. - Yes.
你回家的时候几点 What time did you arrive back at your apartment?
反对 与本案无关 Objection, relevance.
接近五点 A few minutes before 5:00.
你在家待了多久 How long did you remain at your apartment?
待到五点过吧 I was there until shortly after 5:00.
你说的"五点过" 是过多少 Well, now, when you say, shortly after 5:00, what do you mean?
五点十五 5:15.
以及你说 And when you say,
"接近五点"到家的 a few minutes before 5:00, in terms of when you arrived there,
具体是多久 what time was that?
大概4:55 I'd say about five to 5:00.
所以你在家里 So you would've been in your apartment
大概待了20分钟 for an approximate 20-minute span
下午4:55到5:15对吗 4:55 P.M. to 5:15 P.M.?
-反对 与本案无关 -没错 - Objection, relevance .- That is correct.
地方法院办公室 218 A法庭 223 地方检察官办公室 208
玛丽·雷恩询问的时候简直咄咄逼人 Mary Rain was relentless during the whole questioning part.
同样问题要问我好几遍 She would ask me the same question more than once,
有时改下措辞 or try and word it a little differently, or...
其实说白了 at the end she would, like,
就是反复问我同样问题 ask the same exact question, like, ten times,
我真的 不知道你想怎样 and I was like, I don't... I don't know what you want me to do.
我反正不会改口 I'm not changing anything.
大陪审团审理中 不得入内
一般是这样 Here's how it goes.
他们告诉你 So they say to you,
我记得两年前的6月30号晚饭吃了什么 I remember what I had for dinner on June 30th, two years ago.
行吧 Okay.
那29号吃了什么呢 What did you have for dinner on June 29th?
记不清了 I don't remember.
那28号吃了什么呢 What did you have for dinner on June 28th?
记不清了 I don't remember.
27号呢 What did you have for June 27th?
不记得 I don't remember.
但30号吃的什么就记得清 But you remember what you had on June 30th?
"是吗" "是" Is that true? Yes.
当时律师确保我 The lawyer at the time made sure that I, like,
能够把案发那天的细节 had everything cemented in my mind of, like,
记得一清二楚 what had happened that day,
我感觉他早料到 because I felt like he knew that
这事也会扯上我 eventually I'd be brought in.
我们管这叫迂回战术 We call it walking them up and down the ladder,
法官也因此对我责备 and that's what he chastised me about.
她想... 我也不知道她想干嘛 She was looking... I don't know what she was looking for,
但她确实想挖猛料 But she was, like, digging hard for something.
大陪审团中没有辩方律师 Well, there's no defense attorney in the grand jury,
地方检察官完全可以主导庭审 so basically a DA can run rough-shot over the proceedings,
事实也确实是这样 which is what happened.
理查兹法官的话表明 According to Judge Richards we do know
地方检察官玛丽·雷恩 that when the district attorney, Mary Rain,
询问作为不在场证人的尼克女儿时 questioned Nick's daughter, who is one of his alibis,
美国公检方诉奥拉尔·尼克·希拉里
对女儿纠缠不断 the judge had indicated that she was badgering her,
问些不合情理的问题 and asking her inappropriate questions.
所以案子被撤诉了 Which is why it was dismissed.
2014年10月 法官以公诉错误撤回对尼克的诉讼
案子仍未解决 With the case again in limbo,
公众不断寻求对策 the community keeps searching for some resolution.
娜塔莎·哈弗蒂参加了追念会 Natasha Haverty was at the remembrance gathering
有了深度报道 and has more.
还加勒特公道 Justice for Garrett.
加勒特J.菲利普斯 学生纪念园
还加勒特公道 Justice for Garrett.
过去半年里"公道"这个词 A lot has happened with that first word, justice,
承载太多故事了 n the past six months.
好不容易逮捕并传讯了一名嫌疑人 One suspect was finally arrested and arraigned,
但庭审过程处理不当 but the proceedings were mishandled
最后案子被撤诉 and charges were later dismissed.
但民众们今夜同聚来缅怀加勒特 But this evening, people are here to remember Garrett.
准备好了吗 Are we ready?
一 二 三 One, two, three.
加勒特 Garrett!
我们的确是去报道大事件 Yes, we were working on this big investigative story,
但作为北美的新闻记者 but we were also, as reporters in the North Country,
娜塔莎·哈弗蒂 北方公共广播电台新闻记者
在加勒特去世周年日 going to the balloon release ceremony, you know,
参加气球放飞仪式 on the anniversary of Garrett's death.
也是去揭露小镇故事 We were also covering small-town events
来拼凑成完整的事件 that were each a tiny piece of this bigger story.
还加勒特公道 我们会抗争到底
我提几次都不为过 Like, I can't emphasize that enough.
我们自动被归为辩方律师一伙人了 Like, you are in the checkout line with the defense attorney.
小镇风气很现实 That small-town thing is real.
敬爱的主 以你之名相聚 Father God, we stand in your presence, Father.
大家今日齐聚一堂 请铭记 And as you gather here today, remember this...
祷告之力 公道必抵 Through the power of prayer, justice will be served.
悼念加勒特 摩托集行
2015年2月2日 地方检察官玛丽·雷恩 集结另一批大陪审团
尼克·希拉里再次被起诉
法官表示起诉他的证据是充足的 The judge indicated that there was sufficient evidence to indict him,
只是检方做法不妥 I just think you did these things wrong
所以要撤诉 So I'm going to dismiss it.
所以第二次起诉 So we basically provided the exact
我们的诉讼内容几乎没变 same presentation the second time.
这已经是第二次 Now, this is the second time
希拉里因为加勒特的死被起诉 Hillary has been indicted for Phillips' death.
他在周一又回到了圣劳伦斯郡法庭 Oral Nick Hillary was back in a St. Lawrence County courtroom Monday.
希拉里被指控犯下二级谋杀罪 Hillary was arraigned on a charge of second-degree murder.
地方检察官办公室在庭审前还有30天 The D.A.'s office has until 30 days before trial
来准备所有照片和视频证据 to hand over all photo and video evidence.
他们会认同我的观点 They're going to find what I found.
视频可以定罪 The video inculpates.
能够看出尼克 That means it tends to show that Nick...
奥拉尔·尼古拉斯·希拉里在案发现场 Oral Nicholas Hillary was at the crime scene,
接近案发时也出现了 was present near the time of the murder,
这就是他杀害了加勒特·菲利普斯的证据 and in fact is evidence that he did murder Garrett Phillips.
随便他们搞到什么录像 Whatever videotape they could have gotten their hands on,
我心里很清楚 the one thing that I know deep inside,
都是没有办法 that it was not going to reveal
向公众证明我是凶手 what they are trying to showcase to the public.
他们想着证据不足 So they figure not having what they need,
那就操控不实证据 they're just going to manipulate what they claim they have
来证明自己的理论 to prove their theory.
希拉里对菲利普斯谋杀案坚持无罪辩护
还加勒特公道 Justice for Garrett
就是还尼克公道 is justice for Nick.
但此案的检察官 But the prosecutors in this case
不想解决这件案件 don't want to solve this case.
他们只想给此案定罪 They want to get a conviction from this case.
尼克也在寻求真相 Nick is seeking the same truth
让加勒特的灵魂解脱 that will set Garrett's spirit free.
只要我们听说 When we had stories about
有关加勒特·菲利普斯案的消息 anything to do with the Garrett Phillips case...
即使是小事 就比如 Little ones, I'm talking about, like,
保释听证会安排在6月30日 the bail hearing is set for, you know, June 30th...
他当然申辩无罪啊
我们每次都得把评论关掉 We would have to shut down our comments every time.
所以希拉里是黑人就一定无辜吗
此线程已禁止评论
每一次都是 Every time.
因为消息发布后一小时内 Because within an hour of the story going online,
经验看来 涉及此谋杀案及教练希拉里被捕的报道 其评论都过于恶毒和粗俗 因此我们决定关闭评论区 戴尔·霍布森 北方公共广播电台网站经理
网站后台人员原话是 to quote our web guy, like,
辱骂 刻薄的评论铺天盖地 abusive, vitriolic comments,
再恶毒的话都说得出口 the most hateful speech people are capable of.
不能再保释罪犯了
两年半前加勒特·菲利普斯被残忍杀害
加勒特·菲利普斯谋杀案保释听证会持续进行
我记得有次离开听证会 I remember leaving one of the hearings,
有很多尼克的支持者在场 and a lot of Nick's supporters were there.
有人大声问道 And somebody yelled out,
怎么没有任何关于约翰·琼斯的消息 why haven't we heard anything about John Jones?
那是我第一次听说约翰·琼斯这个名字 And that was the first time I had heard the name John Jones,
W. T. 埃克特 沃特敦每日时报记者
而我不知道他是谁 and I didn't know who Jones was.
这起案子更应该 A much better case could have been put together
起诉约翰·琼斯 against John Jones than
而不是尼克 was put together against Nick.
有道理 琼斯可能和希拉里有矛盾而陷害他 坦迪选择了黑人而离开了他 他有多愤怒可想而知 种族歧视作祟 尼克·希拉里无罪 我一开始就这么想
我们都知道 You know, we know that
居然这么多人一直怀疑约翰·琼斯吗 他肯定不会被怀疑啊 他太狡猾了 还是个警官 可惜一开始也没有别的人被审问
他的举止很不稳定 his behavior was volatile.
约翰·琼斯为什么要隐瞒案发前20分钟的行踪呢
坦迪知道 尼克也清楚 You know, Tandy knew that, Nick knew that.
这是杀害男孩的动机吗 You know, was that a motivation for killing a boy?
我不能确定 I don't know.
但难保他会有些失控 But it shows that maybe you're slightly unhinged.
有人说他很易怒 There were allegations that he was an angry man,
说他种族歧视 a racist guy, and that
还说他的挚爱现在跟个黑人睡 the love of his life was now sleeping with a black man.
听听这些声音 尝试分析一下 You know, listening to this and trying to process this stuff,
为什么这个前男友 like, why would this... this former boyfriend
会找这个男孩的麻烦 go after you know, this boy?
再来说说诽谤 Talk about defamatory.
辩方多年来一直在诽谤约翰·琼斯 The defense team had maligned John Jones for years.
多年不断纠缠 Years leading into this thing.
她其实写了封控诉信 She actually wrote a complaint
就在加勒特死前十个月 ten months before Garrett died,
我 坦迪·赛勒斯写此信以对小约翰·E·琼斯先生进行正式控诉 约翰的一系列行为让我担忧自己和儿子们的安危
上面称 约翰·琼斯警官 stating that, because of Deputy John Jones
让我很担心孩子的安全 I fear for the safety of my children.
我没有直接收到这份信件 I didn't get the statement directly,
我是从我上司那拿到的 I got it indirectly from my boss.
我读后告诉上司 And I read it, and I said to my boss,
鉴于约翰·琼斯最近的一系列行为 我确实认为我和孩子的人身安全受到威胁
这不是坦迪写的 I go, that's not Tandy's writing.
而且这是打印件 And it was typed.
他问 你怎么知道的 And he's like, how do you know that?
我说 这封信有的词 I go, because Tandy doesn't know the definition
坦迪根本都不懂 of some of these words in here.
所以不可能是她写的 I go, so there's no way that she wrote this.
约翰·琼斯 坦迪·赛勒斯的前男友 副警长
他就说 有意思 And he's like, well, that's interesting.
我说 我们总会找出来是谁写的 I said... I go, we'll find out someday who wrote this,
反正不是坦迪写的 I go, because Tandy didn't.
如果你写了四封信 If you write four different letters,
签了四次名 sign four different letters,
公证后寄给四个不同的人 and send it to four different people after getting it notarized,
那就是事实了 that's the truth.
在信件的主要内容中 Within the body of the letter,
坦迪声称约翰·琼斯曾经 Tandy states that John Jones sent her
给她发过威胁短信 threatening text messages.
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坦迪还说 琼斯在小额索赔法庭起诉她 Tandy also says that Jones sued her in small claims court
滥用和不正当使用司法制度
来报复她与尼克约会 as retaliation for dating Nick.
时间 下午6点16分 The time, 6:16 P.M.
调度员: 波茨坦警察局 我是调度员施耐德
约翰·琼斯: 你好 我是约翰·琼斯 你好吗
调度员: 我很好 约翰 你呢
约翰·琼斯: 很好 坦迪·赛勒斯 刚被送去抢救室叫菲利普斯的男孩
约翰·琼斯: 他们说还报警了
约翰·琼斯: 你知道谁负责吗
调度员: 知道 温特沃斯警官在场
约翰·琼斯: 抱歉 是谁
调度员: 温特沃斯警官
约翰·琼斯: 好的 他们还在现场吗
调度员: 没有 那个 先别挂好吗
好的 Sure.
调度员: 你知道坦迪在哪吗
约翰·琼斯: 她和我在一起
调度员: 好的 她是在抢救室吗
是的 Yeah.
好的 Okay.
他们一开始就在一起 They were together from the beginning,
还一起过夜了 and then they spent the night together.
第二天早上在警察局 他们说 And then at the police station the next morning they said,
我们不会跟你们单独谈话的 we're not speaking to you guys without being together.
蒂施勒: 我们其实就想 找奥拉尔谈话
现在我们很清楚 You have someone who now we know
约翰·琼斯算是嫌疑人 was a suspect at some point, John Jones,
他握着坦迪·赛勒斯的手 holding the hand of Tandy Cyrus,
坐在同事马克·默里的对面 sitting across the desk from his buddy, Mark Murray.
给我的感觉是 So my thoughts are, like,
这水太深了 this is really messy.
过证词的时候发现这些信息 When we learned about that, reading those depositions,
意味着案子有另一个走向 it was just another kind of step on this road of,
好 我们得关注约翰·琼斯了 okay, we need to talk about John Jones.
不可否认的是 他参与了这次调查 There's no denying that he took part in the investigation.
他推动了调查 He helped in the investigation.
埃里克·保罗 收到短信 鲍比·法恩斯 在比克韦尔工作 看见希拉里(认识他) 进来拿钥匙
他对我们毫无隐瞒 There was nothing that he hid from us,
约翰·琼斯来到事故指挥部 给了我坦迪公寓的钥匙 与从希拉里家中及办公室找到的钥匙作对比
整个过程他都完全配合 or there's no level of cooperation that he didn't go to
来帮助开展调查 to try to help the investigation.
他太积极配合了 提供了他的DNA样本和指纹 He cooperated 110%, provided his DNA sample, fingerprints,
马克·默里 波茨坦警察局首席调查官
物品描述 DNA收集组 小约翰·E·琼斯
还同意我们拍他身体 let us photograph his body.
这是拍的约翰·琼斯 So the person of John Jones.
没有正脸照片 Here we see no face shots,
没有侮辱人格 no dehumanizing...
还是戴了领带的 Still has his tie on,
光看照片根本不知道这是谁 so nothing for anyone to look at to even know who this picture of
除非被告知这是琼斯 except it says the person of Jones.
如果要拍的是这种照片 So why bring in someone
还找别人来干嘛呢 if these are the pictures you're going to take?
如果他们都有嫌疑 And if they're both suspects,
为什么琼斯这个人 why is the person of Jones
和尼克的待遇如此不同呢 so much different from the person of Nick?
他们除了肤色还有什么不同 And what's the difference besides skin color?
塔法里: 为什么你要拍 约翰·琼斯的照片呢
奥拉尔·希拉里诉波茨坦警方等 马克·默里之证词 2014年2月4日
默里: 很大程度上是为了证明我们不是只拍了尼克·希拉里
同时也排除他受伤的可能性
民事案件是我们作为记者的一大宝藏 A big treasure trove for us as reporters is the civil case.
因为尼克·希拉里提起民事诉讼时 Because when Nick Hillary filed that civil case,
调查刚开始不久 not long after the investigation began,
对于我们记者来说 as for us reporters,
就都是公开文件了 that's all public documents, you know?
所以那些证词 So all those depositions,
所有执法人员的证词都表明 all the testimony of law enforcement saying,
他们并没有物证 we didn't have physical evidence.
问: 将希拉里先生和此案联系起来的最关键因素是什么
答: 他对加勒特·菲利普斯的厌恶
看到参与案子的众多警员的证词 To be able to read a lot of officers that were involved in the case,
问: 自1990年起你有目击或听说过 任何人在波茨坦警察局被脱光衣服拍照的吗
答: 没有
了解到埃德·蒂施勒的看法 to see Ed Tischler's remarks,
和马克·默里的看法 to see Mark Murray's remarks
问: 你有任何证据表明希拉里先生的指纹 与被复原的指纹是相吻合的吗
他们都回答 不 我们没有任何的物证 answering, no, we didn't have any physical evidence.
答: 没有 潜在指纹目前并无吻合结果
有趣的是怀疑尼克·希拉里之前 I mean, it's interesting to think that the first theory before Nick Hillary
我们从电话中了解到 even as we've heard in the calls,
最初猜想是孩子们起冲突了 is some kids were getting rowdy, you know?
然后闹出了点事 And something happened with kids.
但是那些孩子的指纹又不在数据库里 Well, those kids' fingerprints aren't in the database.
为什么为加勒特·菲利普斯寻公道如此复杂 新信息使谋杀案扑朔迷离
我在电台的 My last story...
最后一篇报道就是这一篇 for North Country Public Radio was this story.
尽管听起来离谱 It sounds weird and paranoid,
但我离开小镇就播出报道绝非巧合 but it wasn't a coincidence that we aired it when I left town.
当时报道任何有关约翰·琼斯的事都很轰动 At the time it was a big thing to air anything about John Jones.
约翰·琼斯依然担任副警长 John Jones is still a deputy sheriff,
约翰的种种行为让我担心自己和儿子们的安全
然而他也算是嫌疑人 and again, Jones was at some point considered a suspect,
如果我睡了他前女友 那他就会破门而入
此案引发关于公信力和公众安全的思考 all of which raises big questions about trust, about public safety,
以及该如何看待当地执法警官 about what it means when a local police officer
自己就是谋杀调查案的嫌疑人 was also a suspect in a murder that's under investigation.
有个重大发现 It was a big thing to...
希拉里诉波兹坦警局民事案隐含的谋杀案信息
公开的多人陈述证词 kind of uncover these declarative statements from
都称并无DNA证据 multiple people saying, we have no DNA evidence.
问: 希拉里先生的DNA有和任何现场证据匹配上吗
答: 没有
不禁让人思考 We kept thinking,
这个国家还有多少类似的案件 how many other cases are there like this around the country?
我们认为 如果有的话 If anything, I think we thought,
那肯定比我们知道的要多 this must happen more than we know.
《纽约时报》报道了尼克·希拉里谋杀一案的审判
国家媒体开始聚焦时 When national media started paying attention
谋杀之谜 种族有何影响
真是给予我们记者一种肯定 it was just really affirming for us as journalists of,
我们持续报道的事件 wow, this thing that we followed our curiosity on,
在我们周遭能引发深思的事件 or that raised some big questions for us in our community,
竟然非常普遍 is somehow universal enough
能和整个国家的隐患产生共鸣 that it applies to big questions the whole country might be facing.
谋杀之谜 种族有何影响
如果事实确实如此 If the facts had been exactly as they are,
但尼克·希拉里是个白人的话 but Nick Hillary had been white,
小镇男孩被杀案加剧种族矛盾
谋杀之谜 搜寻杀害男孩的凶手
那《纽约时报》会依然如此报道吗 would the New York Times be covering this story as it has?
我觉得你需要退一步想 Well, I think you have to step back a second
谋杀之谜 种族有何影响
看看我们国家现在的状况 and look at what's going on in the country right now.
种族问题和执法问题 The issues of race and law enforcement,
是人们火热谈论 it is something that people are talking about,
也急切关注的事情 it's something people are concerned about.
正是民事诉讼中得出的信息 It is through the information we got in the civil suit
让媒体在结案前产生兴趣 对吗 that the media took a real interest before, right?
前中学教练因被指控谋杀而被第二次传讯
媒体大多时候 Most time media take interest
在人被错判后才开始关注对吧 after someone's been wrongfully convicted, right?
在美国有正义吗 还是只有我们
而别人都坐牢25年了 And the person's sitting there for 25 years.
希拉里非常幸运也很幸福 Hillary's been very fortunate and very blessed
他不仅有线索 还拥有朋友 in not just having information but in having friends.
很多人很同情他 A lot of people empathize with him.
莎拉·约翰逊和格雷格就是最好的例子 Sarah Johnson and Greg are perfect examples of that.
圣劳伦斯大学的理事莎拉·约翰逊 资助了尼克·希拉里的法律费用
希拉里新的首席律师 Hillary's new lead attorneys
是纽约的刑事辩护律师厄尔·沃德 are criminal defense lawyer Earl Ward
以及民权律师诺曼·西格尔 and civil rights lawyer Norman Siegel out of New York City.
他们两位自秋季开始协助此案 The two have consulted in the case since the fall.
丽莎·马可奇亚和马尼·塔法里仍然负责尼克·希拉里 的民事诉讼 诺曼·西格尔和厄尔·沃德加入了当地的 辩护团队来处理刑事指控
我怎么参与进来的 How did I get involved?
《阿姆斯特丹新闻报》的老板和出版商 The Amsterdam News owner and publisher
去年夏天打电话邀请我 called me last summer and said, please come,
诺曼·西格尔 辩护律师
让我了解个案子 I want you to hear about a case.
说希望我接手 I'd like you to get involved.
草率定罪 大学足球教练寻求公正
我说我愿意接手 I said that I would get involved.
条件是厄尔·沃德要和我一起做顾问律师 My one condition was that Earl Ward be co-counsel with me.
然后我们打电话 And then we made phone calls,
和人们交谈 we talked to people.
我们被告知的所有信息 Everything we've been told
完全不同于 is totally in opposite to
检方试图塑造的尼克·希拉里的形象 what the prosecution is trying to make Nick Hillary out to be.
我认为皮德也有相同的想法 I think Pete has the same sort of view here.
我认识尼克已经两年多了 I've known Nick for over two years now.
彼特·杜马斯 当地的辩护团队成员
我们之间的对话总是很平静 It's always been a calm conversation.
就算是讨论人们如何在社交媒体诋毁他 In fact, when you discuss how people are vilifying him in social media,
怎么给他起骂名 how they're calling him names,
他都不像别人想的那样勃然大怒 not once has he erupted in anger like you'd expect.
他只是很冷静地说 真相会大白的 He's just calmly said, the truth will come out.
我会斗争 但不是用愤怒的方式 I'm going to fight this, and I'm not going to do it that way.
我知道有很多人 I know that there are some people
对这个案子很不满 who are very charged about this case,
有的本来是我的朋友 and people that were friends of mine
现在都不怎么来往了 that don't really talk to me right now.
无论这个案子怎样发展 You know, and they may not ever again,
可能都不会和我来往了 no matter how this case goes.
北方公共广播电台为您报道 This is news from North Country Public Radio.
非常感谢 Thanks very much.
我们正在整理加勒特·菲利普斯被谋杀一案中的最新线索 We're sorting out the latest turn in the Garrett Phillips murder case.
地区检察官玛丽·雷恩 District Attorney Mary Rain says
称DNA证据直接指向被控告的凶手尼克·希拉里 DNA evidence points the finger directly at accused killer Nick Hillary.
还加勒特公道
波茨坦男孩被谋杀一案的结果 可能取决于指甲中微量的DNA样本
总调查官马克·默里宣誓作证 Mark Murray, who's lead investigator, testified under oath.
没有吻合的指纹 There was no fingerprints match.
没有吻合的DNA There was no DNA match.
没有目击证人 There was no eyewitnesses.
这个案子基本上是不成立的 They basically had no case.
然后突然之间 多年以后 And then all of a sudden years and years later
菲兹帕特里克接手了这个案子 Fitzpatrick comes on the case,
带头调查 you know, takes a lead role,
突然DNA就吻合了 And all of a sudden they have this DNA match.
地区检察官威廉·菲兹帕特里克 使用STRMix软件重新分析DNA
STRMix软件非常直接得出结论 The STRMix concluded very, very simply
加勒特·菲利普斯指甲里的DNA混合物 that the DNA mixture under Garrett Phillips' fingernails,
STRMIX 解密DNA难题
部分是他本人的 one of them was Garrett Phillips,
还有部分是另一个人的 and the other was a partial profile of an individual
威廉·J·菲兹帕特里克 奥农多加县的地区检察官
从概率上来说这另一个人 who in likelihood ratio terms was millions of times
更可能是尼克·希拉里而不是某个陌生人 more likely to be Nick Hillary than a random stranger.
我们觉得事有蹊跷 We knew that something was so suspicious with it,
因为我们知道早在实验室测过了 because we knew it had been tested at the lab.
我们知道测了100多个样本都没吻合的 We knew they had 100-and-something samples, nothing matched.
发现没有统计数据支持结果
现在怎么突然就吻合了呢 Now how all of a sudden they got this match?
我认为他们不停地死磕 I think that they...they pounded and pounded and pounded
终于扭曲成自己想要的答案 until they got that square peg in the round hole.
地方检察官菲兹帕特里克 在波茨坦12岁男孩被杀案中使用了先进的DNA技术
男孩生前最后的行为 The last physical act the kid does
竭力想告诉我们凶手是谁 is try to tell us who did it,
他抓了希拉里的脸 scratch Hillary's face somewhere.
没有深到造成抓伤 Not deep enough to cause scratching.
他并没有在想 You know, he's not thinking,
我要在指甲里留下这个人的DNA I'm going to leave this guy's DNA under his fingernails,
我只是打个比方而已 But I'm speaking metaphorically.
法官举行审前听证会 以评估新的DNA报告的可取性
我们都听过这样的话 We've all heard the phrase that
DNA是上帝给予我们指证被告的旨意 DNA is the finger of God pointing at the accused.
但这不属于那种情况 This is not that case.
这是找来统计学家借刀杀人 This is the finger of a statistician pointing at Nick Hillary,
DNA不该这么被利用 and that is not what DNA should be all about.
我们讨论的是 What we're talking about is a very,
极微量的DNA very, very small amount of DNA.
DNA有时并不可靠 我们没办法解释 DNA has this mythology of being infallible.
如果你看《犯罪现场调查》 你就知道那个套路 If you watch CSI, you know, it is that thing.
就是那种所谓的 "我们有证据了" It is, Oh, well, we've got the evidence.
杰西·麦金利 奥尔巴尼局长 纽约时报
"都在DNA里面呢" It's right here on the DNA.
而我认为 对于那些 And I think particularly for jurors
并不了解这些高科技理论的陪审团成员来说 who are probably not accustomed to kind of high-scientific theory,
这几乎就是铁证 This is... this is a smoking gun.
如果一定要跟陪审团说... If the jury has to hear it, I mean, I...
用害怕来形容我现在的心情 I mean, to sit here and tell you I'm scared
那都是往轻了说 would be an understatement.
有些律师都不理解这些理论 I mean, some of the lawyers don't even understand,
更何况是外行陪审团了 much less a lay juror.
希拉里的审判定于九月六日在坎顿开庭 Hillary's trial is scheduled to start September 6th in Canton.
原本对检方来说就是很难举证的案子 What was already considered a tough case for the prosecution to prove
现在变得更难了 just got even tougher.
费利克斯·凯泰纳法官: "法医DNA分析应受到最高科学标准的监督"
一些非常复杂的DNA结果将不被允许纳入证物 Some very complex DNA test results will not be allowed.
那可能是即将到来的 It might've been key evidence
尼克·希拉里谋杀案判决的关键证物 in the upcoming Nick Hillary murder trial.
现在被法官撇出了法庭 Now a judge has tossed it out of court.
2015年开始有些州已经承认"瑞捷公司"的DNA检验报告 但费利克斯·凯泰纳法官决定在本案中的瑞捷检验报告不予采纳 原因是涉及的基因样本过于微小 且负责检验该DNA的实验室并不隶属于瑞捷机构
我们找到了DNA 不是 We find the DNA... not find,
找到了一个愿意出庭的专家 but find an expert that can testify
能够证明DNA证据的重要性 as to the significance of the DNA evidence,
结果 and, um...
这证据却不被采纳 it winds up getting thrown out.
法官在12岁男童谋杀案在波茨坦开庭前 拒绝采纳尖端DNA检测结果
尼克十分激动 You know, Nick is really excited,
但还是很担心 But he's also worried
因为我们毕竟还是要开庭 because we still have a trial date.
我经历过一百多次庭审 Having done over 100 trials,
我唯一知道的就是 I know one thing,
在陪审团面前一切皆有可能 is that anything can happen in front of a jury.
坎顿
莎娜·凯小姐 Ms. Shanna-Kay,
我的名字叫诺曼·西格尔 my name's Norman Siegel.
你见过我的 厄尔·沃德 You know me, Earl Ward.
-你也认识这个人对吧 -对 - And you know this guy, right? -Yep.
现在都是在为庭审做准备 This is all in preparation for the trial.
我们正在认真考虑 And we are giving serious consideration
传唤你做我们的证人 to calling you as one of our witnesses.
你之前也经历过这些 So you've been through this before a little,
-对吗 -对 - right? - Yes.
你在大陪审团前作过证 You testified in the grand jury
-两次 对吗 -对 - On two occasions, right? - Yes
你就讲出实情 我们希望听你说的 You told the truth, all we're looking for
就是事情真相 is the truth from you.
我需要重申的是 我认为你会是一个很棒的证人 And again, I think you're going to make a terrific witness,
所以 我们走流程的时候 so, you know, just don't be nervous as we,
不要紧张 you know, go through this.
-好吗 -好的 - Okay. - All right?
-好的 -可你看起来很紧张 - Okay. - You look nervous.
我有点紧张 I'm just a little nervous.
-你为什么会有点 -我就是紧张 -Why are you a little... -I'm just nervous.
并不是出于什么原因 I don't really have like a reason, It's just
就是每次都会这样 what happens every time.
-好吧 -我就是会有点紧张 -Okay. -I just get a little nervous.
他们想不到 They have no idea.
完全想不到 Truly no idea,
他们对我和我的孩子 the negative impact they have...
所施加的负面影响 imposed and put upon my kids.
尼克在庭审前的那个夏天举家迁出了波茨坦
杜内伦 新泽西
我最大的两个孩子 My two oldest are
很清楚发生了什么事 good with their knowledge with what's going on.
所以当我说 我要离开一阵子 So, you know, with me saying, Hey, I'm going off.
去彻底解决这件事 I'm going to address this situation once and for all.
他们很理解 最小的那两个 They're good. The two youngest,
还不能完全理解是怎么回事 They're still not as cognitive to understand the big picture.
别太用力 Not too hard.
给我看看 真棒 Let me see. Yeah.
但是对于以利亚 You know, but for Elijah,
他正处于那种求知的阶段 he's really at that stage where, you know, he needs answers,
他会问问题 and he will ask questions.
没错 没错 Yeah, exactly, exactly,
没错 exactly, exactly.
我的意思就是 You know what I'm saying I mean,
我们需要那些能看清真相的陪审员 that's all we need is just good eyes,
能做到审时度势 you know, for look over all the necessary moving parts
掌握方向的人 and see where we're going.
情况开始乐观了 Yes, starting to look good, starting to look good,
所以 又要回去了 Yeah, so, you know, back again.
好了 来吧 All right. All right, come on.
以利亚 我们走 Elijah, let's go.
你明天就要走吗 Are you leaving tomorrow?
不 No, no, no.
我几天后得回去一趟 Yeah, I know I gotta go back up in a couple days, right?
-什么 -为什么 - Huh? - Why?
回到北方去 Up back to the North Country, you know,
我有些事要解决 I've got to have some stuff to finish up.
那我能去吗 Wait, can I come?
-你想去吗 -可以啊 - If you could come? - Yeah.
大概周末你没课的时候 Well, maybe on the weekends
就可以去 when you don't have school you could come,
或者我会回来的 or for I, I will come down, you know?
-别担心 好吗 -好的 - No need to worry, okay? - Okay.
好的 那我能去吗 Yeah, Can I come?
不行 你得在这上学 No, because you've got to be here to go to school.
我知道 Yeah, I know.
但开学前一天 我们可以和你一起去嘛 But a day before the school starts can we come with you?
那不太可行 That's not going to be feasible.
可行 Feasible...
明白吗 Okay?
那样不太可能行得通 It's not going to be possible for that to work out.
-懂了吗 -懂了 - Okay? - Yeah.
-好的 -你会再想想吗 - All right. - You'll see?
对 我再考虑一下 Yeah, I'll see.
晚安 Goodnight.
对 Yes.
好了 就这样 Okay. All right.
爱你 Love you.
或许吧 可以吗 Maybe, okay?
爱你 Love you.
爸爸和我躺一起 Daddy, lay with me.
好 我等下回来 Okay, I'll come back later.
我认为 I think...
这些事掰扯了这么久 having all of this drawn out for so long
对我们影响很大 has affected us in that
这事感觉像是需要合上一本书 it feels like a book that needs to be closed,
但你还不能合 因为你还没读完最后一页 and you can't close it yet because you haven't read that last page.
玛丽莎·沃格尔 邻居
给人感觉 悬而未决 It feels unfinished, and it's just hung there over us.
波茨坦农民市场
所有人对这事都不开心 Everybody is upset about this.
那个可怜小孩的家人 The poor child's family
水城日报 DNA证据在希拉里庭审中未被采纳
经历了那么多 has gone through a lot.
整个社区都混乱不堪 The community is in turmoil.
这件事需要被解决 Just needs to be taken care of.
农夫集市 就在今天 能买到本地蔬菜水果
因为证据可能是有利的 Because I mean, the evidence is probably good,
他们就是不满意这种处理方式 It's just that they don't like the way it was handled.
因为现在决定不采纳了嘛 Yeah. It can't be used now.
还加勒特公道
经过了希拉里长达两小时的作证 With Hillary's two-hour deposition,
我觉得事态正在向好的一面发展 I think things were looking good.
你可以随便去问一个人 You could ask everybody in the world
布里安·菲利普斯 加勒特的叔叔
他们在24号 where they were on the 24th
加勒特被杀的那天晚上 of that night...
人在哪里 that Garrett was taken.
没有人会撒谎 They're not going to lie.
也不需要找律师辩护 They're not going to need to lawyer up.
不会试图隐瞒DNA证据 They're going to not hide DNA.
还加勒特公道
真正的凶手只有一个 One person killed him.
那家人在这五年里一直在 The family has kept it in front of all of us,
呼吁着 他们也理应如此 which they should, for the last five years.
还加勒特公道
正如所有人一样 我也希望 I'm hoping, as everyone else is, that
这件事得到解决 希望警方有了证据 this is resolved and that they do have proof,
会有什么真相水落石出 and that there is something that comes out
比如能给尼克或真凶定罪的证据 conviction comes out, whether it's Nick or whomever,
能让这件事画上句号 but that they can put this to rest.
如果我所做的任何事 I'll feel awful if anything that
最终却在在法庭上起到了反作用 I've done, you know, ends up hurting
伊恩·费尔利 助理足球教练
我也不知道怎么说 you know what I mean? I don't know.
我会很难受的 how that works in the court or the law.
他们可能会随意扭曲我说的话 You know, you can twist things however you want.
我就是个普通人 I'm just an average person.
案子里的路人甲 I'm just in it.
这个案件是街头巷尾讨论的话题 This case has been adjudicated on the streets,
大家都已经做出了自己的判决 and in the Price Choppers, and in the parking lots,
娜塔莎·哈弗蒂 北方国家公共广播电台记者
很多年了 for years.
现在真正的审判来临了 Now this is a real trial.
现在是真的正在发生了 This is really happening.
我们十分担心陪审团的涉入 We were really worried going into the jury process
会让我们碰到一些麻烦 that we were going to run into a roadblock.
陪审团专员告诉我 The commissioner of jurors told me that
圣劳伦斯县有一千人 1,000 people from St. Lawrence County
被征召去履行陪审义务 have been summoned for jury duty,
这是平时人数的四倍 And that's four times as many as usual.
我们比较担心的是 We were worried that
会有一些怀有强烈个人意见的人在其中 we were going to have some very opinionated people on the jury,
而且我们还担心所有陪审员 and we were worried that there wasn't going to be one juror
都对此案早有心里的明秤 In the courtroom who didn't know anything about this case.
请转身 Turn around for me please.
谢谢配合 Thank you, sir.
每个人都说自己会做出公正的决定 Everyone says they're going to be fair.
我们要做的就是判断 You've just got to sit back and decide
这个人是否真的能做到公平公正 if this is the person who really can be.
我觉得我们的陪审筛选进行得很顺利 I thought voir dire went excellent.
我们第一轮选了十名陪审员 So we got ten jurors the first pass.
其中一人我认识 One of the jurors I knew,
玛丽·瑞恩 劳伦斯县地方检察官
我觉得他能作出公正的判决 and I felt that he would do a very fair job.
他会公正不倚地听两方陈述 He would give both sides a fair shake.
所以我相信我们选出了十名十分合格的陪审员 So I was very confident that we had good ten jurors.
参与希拉里谋杀案判决的十名陪审员已被选出
我开车回的家 I drove all the way home.
我住的地方离法院 一个半小时路程 I live about an hour away from where the trial's happening.
我到家以后接到了诺姆 厄尔 凯特的电话 I got home and I got the call from Norm, and Earl, and Kate.
他们说你必须得回来 They said, God, you've got to come back.
我们得再谈谈 We've got to talk about this some more.
所以我就扔下手上的事 跳进车里 So dropped whatever I was doing hopped in my car,
开了回去 然后我们又讨论了三四个小时 and I drove back, we talked about it for another three or four hours.
辩方律师入席的时候感觉就像 The defense came into chambers looking like somebody
有人刚刚当着他们的面踢了他们的狗一样 just kicked their puppy in front of them.
我完全想不通他们为什么要把脸拉那么老长 And I had no idea why they had such long faces.
他们有点犹豫不决 嘴上说 我们和被告 And they were kind of hemming and hawing, saying, we were up all night
谈了一宿 然后我就想 他是准备认罪吗 talking to the defendant, and I thought, is he going to plead?
我完全不知道是什么情况 You know, I didn't have any idea what was going on.
他们说"他想这么做"我就问"这么做"是指什么 You know, he wants to do this, and I'm, like, What is this?
直接告诉我们指的是什么 What is this? Tell us.
凯泰纳法官:庭审正在被记录 公检起诉希拉里律师和被告已入席
杜马斯先生:我们告诉过他无论他做何选择我们都会支持他
杜马斯先生:他选择放弃陪审审判权 进行无陪审审判
希拉里自己选择了无陪审 Hillary chose himself to go bench.
无陪审审判就是没有陪审团参与的审判 法官是判决的唯一决定人
我从来不会定义自己为爱冒险的人 I would never classify myself as a risk-taker,
但在第一轮选人过后 you know, but after the first round of seating
我觉得没有一个人 and there was just no one
我可以完全放心地说 who I can say with great sense of comfort,
他或她能做到公平 would be a pair one.
我们过后居然发现 We'd actually found out after the fact
他们选的其中一个陪审员 That one of the jurors was actually friends with that they had picked,
居然是菲利普斯家的朋友 was friends with the Phillips family.
布莱恩·菲利普斯 明天为加勒特寻求正义的进程将正式开始 对所有参与其中的人都是一项艰巨的考验 请大家把我们放在心上 为我们祈祷
这个小镇太小了 每个人都和那一家联系紧密 It's too connected up there. Everyone's too close with the family.
为公正的判决祈祷
正义会得到宣扬的兄弟 加油
祈祷完毕 现在赶紧绞死那个杂种
而且我认为经过五年的妖言惑众 And I think five years of poisoning
"还加勒特公道"已经变成了"处决尼克·希拉里" turned Justice for Garrett into Lynch Nick Hillary.
凯泰纳法官:你是否知晓法官开庭前 作为一般流程需要复审所有资料
希拉里:是的 法官大人
凯泰纳法官:而某些法官复审的材料将不会为陪审团所听或所见
凯泰纳法官:我向你保证我能区分材料 且会完全根据证据作出判决
凯泰纳法官:我希望确保你十分清楚这些情况
希拉里:清楚 法官大人
判决将由一位法官做出 The trial will be trial by a judge.
我们明白尼克被指控的罪名的严重性 We understand the enormity of what Nick is charged with,
我们会严肃对待这一责任 and we take that responsibility seriously.
你们能听出来我的声音有点发抖 You can hear my voice sort of crackling there,
这表明不仅我的大脑 which indicates it's not just my brain...
我的身体也十分认同刚才所说的话 所以 My whole body recognizing what I just said. So...
能请尼克讲一下现在的感受吗 Can I ask how Nick's feeling?
我感觉很不错 谢谢 I'm feeling very well, thank you.
好的 Okay.
2016年9月12日
首日 检方诉奥拉尔·尼古拉斯·希拉里案
二级谋杀 刑法125.25[1]
当真的开庭的那一天 When we actually had a trial date
我们都坐在旁听席上 And we were all sitting in court together,
W.T.埃克特 水城日报记者
感觉就像是什么 It just seemed like some kind of weird,
诡异的超现实梦境成真了 Surreal dream that this was actually taking place.
全体起立 All rise.
圣劳伦斯县法庭现在开庭 St. Lawrence County Court is now in session.
法官费利克斯·凯泰纳出庭 The Honorable Felix Catena presiding.
大家早上好 请就坐 Good morning, everybody. Please be seated.
开始庭审记录 We're on the record.
本案是由纽约公检方 This is the People of the State of New York
向奥拉尔·尼克·希拉里提起诉讼 Against Oral Nicholas Hillary.
菲茨帕特里克先生 请开始开案陈述 Mr. Fitzpatrick, your opening statement.
谢谢您 法官大人 Thank you very much, Your Honor.
法官大人 通常是在这个时候 It's normally at this point, Judge,
您或其他诉讼人 会对陪审团说 where either you or some of the litigants would say to a jury
请不抱偏见不要妄下结论 to keep an open mind.
然而法官大人 我认为 And I don't think, Judge,
我从未像在此案中这样 I've ever beseeched someone more in a criminal case
恳求别人 不抱偏见 to keep an open mind than I would in this matter right now.
因为时至今日对此案的陈述 Because the narrative of this case
已经非常简单了 up to this point has been very, very simple.
纽约州一个小镇上的 A group of bungling,
一群笨手笨脚 办事不力的警察 incompetent cops from a small town in upstate New York...
这些人 极富经验的律师们 Okay, these guys, very experienced lawyers,
选了这个人来决定这件案子 just selected this individual to decide this case.
我想让他不必费力进行案情陈述了 And I wanted to disavow him of the narrative.
案情至今已经被他们 The narrative which has been established
陈述了四年半了 at this point for 4.5 years.
所谓的"这个案子已经很明朗了" That this case is razor-thin,
所谓的"就是一群北方佬" that this case is nothing but a bunch of, you know,
"想把镇上唯一的黑人 upstate hicks that want to grab the only black guy in town
弄进监狱" and put him on trial.
这些根本全都子虚乌有 None of that stuff is true.
警方从案件调查的第一天 From day one the murder investigation
就紧咬着尼克·希拉里一人 focused almost exclusively on Nick Hillary.
你们会了解到在对死者位于市场街100号的公寓 You will learn that after a thorough inspection
进行了彻底调查后 of the deceased's apartment at 100 Market Street,
警方没有找到任何指纹 the police found no fingerprints,
毛发 no hairs,
或能把他和这起案件联系起来的纤维材料等 or no fibers linking Nick Hillary to this crime.
让我们把关注点放在最具信服力 Let's examine in what is the most conclusive piece
能证明他有罪的证据上面 of guilt against this man,
就在加勒特到达勒罗伊街的同时 at the exact instant Garrett reaches Leroy Street,
被告倒车 出了停车场 the defendant backs up, K-turns out of the parking lot,
而据他反复说过好多遍的证词 and according to him at least a dozen times under oath,
"我直接回了家" I went straight home,
"去找我女儿" back to my daughter.
但摄像头是不会说谎的 Except the camera doesn't lie.
希拉里先生没有向右转 Mr. Hillary doesn't turn right,
而是左转了 he turns left,
就是因为他在追杀加勒特·菲利普斯 because he's hunting Garrett Phillips.
录像只能显示他左转弯了 This is all the video will show you.
但检方希望你们略过论证直接得出答案 But the prosecution wants you to jump to conclusions.
你们不会听得到或看得到任何可信的证据 You will not see or hear any credible evidence
显示尼克本人或他的车在那段时间内 of Nick or Nick's car approaching, at, or leaving 100 Market Street
从他离开停车场到马克警官发现死者期间 during the critical time from when Nick exits the parking lot
接近 位于 或离开市场街100号 until Officer Mark Wentworth found the deceased.
为什么呢 And why?
因为他根本就没去过那里 Because he wasn't there.
与此同时 法官大人 Now, meanwhile, Judge, just outside
就在市场街公寓后面 in the back of Market Street
有一个叫安德鲁·卡兰萨的年轻人 there's a young man by the name of Andrew Carranza
和他当时的女朋友莎侬·哈里斯 and his then girlfriend Shannon Harris,
他们正在给卡兰萨的货车换备胎 and they're in the process of changin a flat tire on Carranza's truck.
安德鲁现在是海军陆战队的一员 Andrew's now deployed with the United States Marine Corps,
但他会出庭作证 描述他的所见所闻 But he'll be here to describe what he saw and what he heard.
当尼克进入庭审程序后 When Nick came to the trial
他的律师们雇了我 I was hired by Nick's attorneys
去找到目击证人并跟他们谈 to locate and interview witnesses
唐·特雷西 私家侦探
弄明白他们都知道什么 以及会在庭审上说什么 to find out what they would know and say at the trial.
我了解到地方检察办公室准备 I learned that the D.A.'s office was going to
让安德鲁从夏威夷回来 fly Andrew back from Hawaii,
而且他是本案一个至关重要的证人 and he was a vital witness in this case.
所以我就联系了他 So I called him.
而他显然直接认为 And he apparently jumped to the conclusion
我是地方检察办公室的 that I was working for the D.A.'s office, quite quickly.
我也没纠正他 I didn't tell him any different.
唐纳德·J.·特雷西 私家侦探所
我没觉得我有义务跟他阐明这点 I didn't feel I had a responsibility to tell him that.
他说 "他们让我从夏威夷回来作证" He said, they're flying me from Hawaii to testify in this.
"我周一到坎顿" I'll be showing up Monday in Canton.
"可以 你准备说什么" Fine. What are you going to testify to?
"就说我看见二楼有个黑人" Well, I saw a black guy on the second floor,
"身体轮廓和尼克相符" a silhouette of somebody that fits Nick's.
我尽我所能地一直跟他聊 Talked with him as much as I could, went on,
另一个我想找到的证人是 and the other witnesses that I was trying to locate
安德鲁的女朋友 莎侬 was Andrew's girlfriend, Shannon.
唐·特雷西给我打电话 说他是个调查员 Don Tracy called me, told me he was an investigator.
他到我家来 He stopped over.
问了我关于我那天在做什么 He questioned me about what I was doing that day,
莎侬·哈里斯 邻居
所见所闻 what I heard, what I saw.
我们在给他换轮胎 We were changing his tire,
莎侬·哈里斯 邻居
然后我们就一直听到撕扯的声音 and we kept hearing this ripping noise. And...
是我决定让安德鲁·卡兰萨来作证的 The decision was made by me to fly Andrew Carranza in.
就我的判断 安德鲁能更好的描述 It was my judgment that Andrew described
威廉·J.·菲茨帕特里克 奥内达加县地方检察官
他所听到的噪音 the noises that he heard a little bit better.
警方问过我们俩 有没有看到窗边有什么人 Police asked both of us if we had seen anybody in the window,
或者有什么动静之类的 any movement, anything like that,
我们都表示了没有 And we both said no.
就是最顶上那扇窗 在外面那个 This window right here on the top, on the outside,
这就是百叶窗被挤出来的那扇 Was the window that had the screen forced out.
这些停车位 So these parking spots right here
是卡兰萨家的 Would've been occupied by the Carranzas,
这个是安德鲁的 This being Andrew's.
他们要看到有人站在那个窗口 Would've been very hard to see
其实并不难 a body standing in that window.
如果他们真的有看到的话 And if there was,
当时应该是绝佳的说出来的机会 it certainly would've been a time to say it at that time.
我去看了车前面 也看了看楼上 但什么都没看见
而他们确实说了他们什么都没看见 And they did state they didn't see anything.
他们的口供中说明了这一点 Their statements indicate that.
我们做了好多次口供 We went over the statements multiple times,
都没什么不同之处 and nothing was different.
我往上看的时候 什么也看不见
但后来他告诉我 Afterward he told me
安德鲁又推翻了自己的证词 Andrew had an opposing story.
我告诉唐 安德鲁就是想引起我的主意 I told Don Andrew he was trying to get a hold of me,
而我也给他打了电话 and I had called him anyway,
录下来了整个对话 and I did record the entire conversation with Andrew,
安德鲁·卡兰萨
以防他过后改口不承认 just in case he said he was making it up.
莎侬·哈里斯 邻居
安德鲁·卡兰萨 邻居
现在我感觉你好像在修改你的证词 Now I feel like you're changing your story or something,
我不清楚什么情况 安德鲁 And I don't know, Andrew,
但我绝对不会在法庭上 but I am not going to go to court and, like,
因为你而说谎 lie for something about you,
如果你能理解的话 如果他们问我这事 if that makes sense. If they question me on it
我必须得诚实告诉他们 I'm going to have to be honest and tell them...
我知道
但严格意义上讲如果 你根本什么都不记得 就不算撒谎
可是我记得啊 这些都在我的口供里面 I think I would remember because it would be in my statement.
比如 我记得看到有人 在窗户上探头探脑
没错 但是你只是看到了有人 Yeah, well, you saw somebody but
你并不能确定就是希拉里 you didn't necessarily see Hillary.
所以我不知道怎么样 就算你真的看到了 So I don't understand how... even if you did,
那也只能做间接证据 that would be substantial evidence.
这就是问题所在了
我能看到那人
但认不出来是谁 因为他太他妈黑了
我他妈看不出来那是谁
我知道是个男的
安德鲁 得了吧 Andrew, come on.
我没开玩笑 就他妈这么回事
显然 安德鲁很清楚地知道说什么能影响 Andrew clearly knew what had to be said in that trial
审判结果 to make a difference.
而且他也愿意站出来说这些 And he was willing to step up and do it.
萨拉·约翰逊和格雷格·康奈尔的家 纽约州 坎顿
所以他愿意出庭吗 So is she willing to testify?
莎侬·哈里斯在证人名单上吗 没有对吧 Is Shannon Harris on the witness list? No, right?
唐 那个私家侦探和她谈过了 Don spoke to... the investigator spoke to her.
-然后呢 -她貌似说 - And? - Thinks... she says,
卡兰萨满口胡言 Carranza's full of shit.
这太疯狂了 Yeah, this is crazy.
这是个大事 唐 太谢谢你了 That's a big one. Don, thank you very much.
我要跟我的团队更新一下进展 你的消息真的很重要 I'll fill the team in on what's going on here, but that's big.
谢谢你 Thank you.
好的 Okay, cool.
-嗯嗯好嘞 -我们盘子够吗 - Okay. All right. - Do we have enough plates?
-啥都够 -好嘞好嘞可以可以 - Plenty of everything. - Okay, great.
好的好的 谢谢你 唐 All right, Don, Thank you.
唐跟他们的主要证人的女朋友谈过了 Don spoke to the girlfriend of their star witness,
她说他纯在放屁 and she says he's full of shit.
-谁说的 -棒极了 - Who did? - Awesome.
可以啊 All right.
谁说的 Okay, who's saying this?
莎侬·哈里斯 Shannon Harris.
当时在场的女朋友 The girlfriend who was there, who was present.
换轮胎的女孩吗 Oh, the girl changing the tire?
-对 -对 - Yep. - Yeah.
可以 贼棒 Super. Super, good.
赢定了 Good win, good win.
-大家早上好 -早安 -Good morning, everybody. -Morning.
第二天庭审继续 The next day when the trial had resumed
我碰巧撞见了丹·曼诺 I happened to bump into Dan Manor
地方检察办公室的 from the D.A.'s office,
丹也知道我知道的事 and Dan knew what I knew.
因为他看着我说 Because he looked at me, he says,
你为什么跟我的证人谈话 What are you doing talking to my witness?
我说 丹 你怎么能 And I said, Dan, how could you
让他大老远从夏威夷飞回来 Bring him all the way from Hawaii
就是为了作伪证 To testify to something that you knew was not the truth?
他说 And he said,
我有准则要遵守 I have rules to follow.
我要对人民负责 I have people I'm responsible to.
丹·曼诺拒绝了采访 但他否认了以上对话存在
逻辑上讲丹·曼诺应该是和卡兰萨谈过的 Dan Manor would've spoken to Carranza
为了让他回来作证 to logistically get him flown in.
在他回来之前没人跟他谈过 Nobody interviewed him prior to flying him in.
我在他出庭前跟他谈才知道 I had no knowledge that he was going to say
他准备说 it was a black male at the window
看到黑人男性站在窗边 Until I spoke to him the day before he testified.
在证人席上 安德鲁·卡兰萨说他看到 一个人影往窗外看 但是地方检察官威廉·菲茨帕特里克 并没有要求他进行描述
为什么没有人问卡兰萨先生 Why didn't anybody ask Mr. Carranza about the color
窗边的人是什么肤色 the man who was looking out that window?
他们说他在往窗外看 They said he was looking out the window,
但没有人请他描述那个人的样子 But no one asked the description of the man...
是有什么... Was there...?
如果真的有个黑人 If there was a person looking out that window
在往窗外看 他之前就会说了 that was an African-American person, he would've said it.
道德上我们绝对无法允许安德鲁·卡兰萨 There was no way we could ethically allow Andrew Carranza
在现在 案发四年后 突然说 to now say suddenly four years later that,
没错是个黑人男性 Oh yeah, it was a black male.
而且事实上 我十分确定 And in fact I'm fairly certain
他准备说窗边的人就是尼克·希拉里 he was prepared to say that it was Nick Hillary at the window.
如果我们没有莎侬·哈里斯来作证 If we had not had Shannon Harris to come and testify,
或者没有事先计划好在他决定作证后联系上她 or not planned on calling her after he testified,
谁会知道真相 who would know the difference?
他们现在是知道了我们也有证人 Knowing that we had witnesses
能当场驳斥他们的陈述 who would contradict their statements in real time
狠狠打他们的脸 and blow this up in their faces,
但在他们给他订机票 让他从夏威夷回来的时候 they did not know that when they booked his flight from Hawaii...
-对的 -他们是不知道的 - Right. - To come up.
他们等他到了波茨坦才知道的 They found that out after he was in Potsdam.
杜马斯先生 Mr. Dumas?
杜马斯:法官大人 我们有另一个问题
我们了解到
检方让调查员审问
或至少是询问
一位叫格雷戈里·布朗的人
我们还了解到
他说出了
可能对被告有利的信息
我不认为杜马斯先生是在指控我 但是 I didn't take Mr. Dumas' remarks as accusatory, but essentially
他是在暗示 it's being suggested
我从一名从未听过姓名的证人处 that I'm withholding exculpatory evidence
获得并隐瞒了能证明被告无罪的证据 Regarding a witness I've never heard of.
因此我会去调查我们的机构人员 So I will go through our archives
跟参与本案的调查员谈话 and talk to the investigators on the case
来试着确定布朗先生是何人 In an attempt to identify Mr. Brown.
而且很显然 如果真的有什么能证明无罪的证据 And obviously if there's anything exculpatory
我清楚该怎么做 I fully know my obligations.
地方检察官菲茨帕特里克说 D.A. Fitzpatrick has said,
格雷戈里·布朗是谁啊 Well, who's Gregory Brown?
我说咱也不知道啊 I said, I don't know who Gregory Brown is.
然后他说他是个犯人 And then as he started explaining
我就突然 that he was an inmate, I was, like,
想起来 我确实记得有这么回事 Oh yes, I do remember something about
州警去阿提卡找这个人问话 the state police going out and interviewing this person at Attica.
请律师来我办公室开会 Can I see counsel in chambers, please?
我们去了法官办公室 他们递给我们两张纸 We got into chambers and they handed us two pages.
我们看了以后 下巴都惊掉了 And we looked at it, and we all just kind of jaw-dropped.
因为这张纸上写着 Because this piece of paper said that
在加勒特·菲利普斯回市场街100号前15分钟 John Jones entered 100 Market Street approximately 15 minutes
琼斯下了卡车 然后走进了棕色的楼里 棕色楼也是公寓群的一部分
约翰·琼斯进入了市场街100号 before Garrett Phillips entered 100 Market Street.
问题是 他怎么知道约翰·琼斯是谁 So my question is, How would he even know who John Jones is?
约翰说他是玩橄榄球认识的 And John says that he knows Greg Brown
格雷格·布朗 from having played football with him.
他说 我不知道他的名字 You know, he's, like, I didn't know him by name,
但我知道他是谁 but I knew who he was.
你认识"土豪G"吗 我说 You know G-Money? I go,
约翰·琼斯 坦迪·塞勒斯前男友 副警长
"土豪G"是谁 Who's G-Money?
我不是刻板印象 And I'm not trying to stereotype it
但我猜是个黑人 but I assumed it was a black man.
然后我就说 我不认识 And I said, No, I don't
我不怎么跟黑人玩的 I don't hang around with a lot of black people,
所以我不知道是谁 so no I don't know who he is.
然后他说 你不认识格雷格·布朗吗 And he goes, you don't know Greg Brown?
我说 不认识啊 你说明白点 I said, no. I go, help me out with this.
然后他说 你们之前在当地那个体育场打球 And he goes, you used to bounce at this local establishment.
然后我就恍然大悟了 And I go, Oh yeah.
我知道他 咋了 然后他说 Yeah, I know him. I go, Why? He goes,
显然 他说他看到你 Apparently he saw you come out of...
那天出入了坦迪的家 我说 Or go into Tandy's house that day. I go
认真的吗 Seriously?
我以为逗我玩呢 他说 真事啊 I thought it was a joke. He goes, Yeah.
布朗相信琼斯就是凶手 但他从来没跟琼斯提过
布朗说他不相信一个黑人能在纽约州波茨坦杀个人 从二层楼跳下来 还不被任何人看到
他们给我们那份文件的时候 When they handed us that document
我看了一眼就知道 I took one look at it
那大概是我职业生涯中的 and that was probably the one instance in my whole career
最教科书式的"布雷迪材料" of the clearest-cut Brady material I've ever seen.
布雷迪材料就是对辩方有利的材料 Brady material is a material that's favorable to the defense,
一些可能能证明尼克·希拉里没有犯罪的证据 something that might show that Nick Hillary didn't commit the crime.
这个情形就是 And it's one of those things that
你作为一个辩方律师 you take a step back as a defense attorney
挑灯夜战的时候蓦然醒悟 and you're working late at night, and you say to yourself,
等一下 Wait a minute.
如果有这种隐藏证据 那会不会还有 If this is just coming out now, what else is there?
还有多少我们不知道的事 What else don't we know?
因此才会有这些规定 That's why these rules are in place.
就是为了保护跟尼克·希拉里一样的人 They're to protect someone like Nick Hillary.
保护他的宪法规定的权利 They're to protect his constitutional rights.
那么问题来了 Here's the problem.
这份证据是否应该公开 Should it have been disclosed?
当然要 Absolutely.
没将它公开是不可饶恕的 Inexcusable that it wasn't disclosed.
在玛丽心里 In Mary's mind,
如果已经有铁证 证明约翰·琼斯无罪 there's irrefutable proof that John Jones did not commit the crime,
那么声称他犯罪的人就是在说谎 Ergo someone alleging that John Jones did commit the crime is lying.
所以在她心中 So in her mind it went
这些就不是证明清白的材料 而是彻底的屁话 from potentially exculpatory to just total B.S.
而作为检察官是不能擅自做出这样的决定的 Can't make that decision as a prosecutor.
我出庭的时候唯一有的是我的声誉 All I have is my reputation when I'm appearing in court.
我当时就想直接打包走人 And I thought about, you know, just packing it up and leaving,
但我不能对坦迪和菲利普斯做这种事 but I couldn't do that to Tandy and the Phillips family.
检方的证人 ...the prosecution's witnesses today,
但正相反 辩方出面 But instead the defense got up
请求费利克斯·凯泰纳法官驳回请求 and asked Judge Felix Catena for a dismissal.
这是个极端的补救措施 Now, that's an extreme remedy to the situation,
但这也是个很极端的案子 but this is an extreme case.
有个男人 You know, we've got a man
正在接受能决定他一生的审判 who's on trial for his life here.
在这里接受影响一生的审判 who's on trial for his life here.
这是二级谋杀案 This is a murder in the second,
而他们却隐瞒证据 and they're hiding this.
我认为这就应该采取极端的补救措施 I think that it should be an extreme remedy.
这是法官和陪审团 The judge is the judge And the jury.
波茨坦谋杀案检察官承认失误
就是他 他将决定尼克·希拉里的命运 He is the man. He will decide Nick Hillary's fate.
所以对他来说 当他坐在法庭上 And so for him to sit in a courtroom
然后有人说 顺便说一句 and someone say, Oh, by the way,
我们有些信息忘了提供给辩方 we forgot to give some information to the defense team,
我确定那一定会在他脑子里 I'm sure that that must've set off some alarm bells
敲响什么警钟 就会想 For him in his brain, where he was, like,
检察官这是在干嘛 What's the prosecution doing here?
我想这也可能是 And I think that that
什么辩护策略的一部分 probably was part of the defense's strategy as well.
请等一下 厄尔 Excuse me, Earl,
能在你走之前问一句 Can you say where you're going now
你们要去哪吗 and then we'll let you go?
我们正要去监狱跟格雷戈里·布朗聊一聊 We are headed over to the jail to speak to Gregory Brown.
他们很快就关押他了 是吧 They brought him down fairly quickly, huh?
是的 非常快 Yes, fairly quickly.
极其快 Rapid speed.
圣劳伦斯惩教所
与格雷戈里·布朗面谈一个半小时后 辩方决定不请他出庭作证
你们中一定有人在想 I'm sure some of you are thinking,
"他们没有用上格雷戈里·布朗的证词 Well, they didn't use Gregory Brown.
他一定是脑子有病" He must be a whack-job.
格雷戈里·布朗不是脑子有病 Gregory Brown is not a whack-job.
他不是个疯子 He's not a whacko.
他非常可信 He was very credible,
但他不是记得所有的事情 and he didn't remember everything
部分是因为时间过去太久了 In part because there's been a passage of time.
约翰·琼斯莫名其妙在那座楼里的证词 The idea that somehow John Jones was at that building,
你找到证据了吗 还是说 did you find it credible or was it the case
只是因为他的信誉漏洞百出 of there being too many holes in
所以不能在法庭上使用 his account to use it in court?
事实是约翰·琼斯不仅仅在现场 The fact that John Jones was not only there
而且他进入了市场街100号 but went into 100 Market.
我觉得这个很重要 Which I thought was important.
我也找到了证据 I found that credible.
约翰·琼斯不可能 There is no way in hell John Jones...
托马斯·J·莫塔蒂 波茨坦辩护律师
在监控上能看到在谋杀案发生时 The guy is on video walking his dog
那个男人正在遛狗 at the time the murder takes place.
这就是最好的证据了 You can't have better evidence.
约翰·琼斯住所
案发现场
学校停车场
而且他的DNA检测并不匹配 And his DNA didn't match
我们从指甲里提取的DNA样本 the DNA profile under the fingernails.
不可能是约翰·琼斯 因为 It wasn't John Jones because,
你知道 就像我之前说过的 you know, as I've said before,
谁杀人的时候还会带条狗过去 who brings their dog to a murder?
没人会 Nobody.
这只是巧合 Coincidences happen.
在约翰·琼斯驶入车道的29秒后 Twenty-nine seconds after John Jones pulled into his driveway,
加勒特滑着滑板经过 Garrett rode by on his Ripstik.
我就认为检察官可以很明确地说 Now, I think the prosecution would clearly say,
这只是巧合 That's a coincidence.
在坎顿-波茨坦医院的路边 There's a camera on the side of
有一个摄像头 Canton-Potsdam Hospital,
他巧妙地拍到了约翰·琼斯的房子 and among other things,it just coincidentally
和其他一些东西一起 also captures John Jones' house
因为他刚好在那个时候住在茅屋街 Because he happened to live on Cottage Street at that time.
两个不同的摄像头 Two different cameras.
你能看见加勒特从 You see Garrett coming down
茅屋街南边的人行道滑下来 the northside sidewalk of Cottage.
他上了车道 He gets to the driveway
在这向右转就到了急诊室 that you would turn right to go towards the ER.
急诊室的第二个摄像头 The second camera from the ER
拍摄着停车场 that shows the parking lot,
能看到加勒特沿着茅屋街滑下来 shows Garrett basically passing from left to right
从停车场左边到右边 As he's traveling down Cottage Street.
他们不会碰见彼此 They don't pass each other
打个招呼或什么的 waving or anything like that.
监控上没有拍到这个 You don't see that on camera.
地方检察官: 你有没有看到加勒特在十月二十四号的下午 滑着滑板经过街
对约翰·琼斯来说 这只是个巧合 It's a coincidence with John Jones,
琼斯: 没有
但对尼克·希拉里来说这不是 but it's not a coincidence with Nick Hillary.
约翰·琼斯 是坦迪·科林斯的前男友 John Jones, who was the former boyfriend of Tandy Collins.
约翰·琼斯 他不喜欢尼克·希拉里 John Jones, who didn't like Nick Hillary.
约翰·琼斯 他曾推搡过坦迪 John Jones, who once pushed Tandy Collins.
约翰·琼斯 他也曾起诉坦迪 John Jones, who had sued Tandy Collins
而如今尼克在停车场 Nick being in the parking lot,
对他们来说就是谋杀案的证据 in their view, is evidence of murder.
而我要对你说 法官 I submit to you, Judge,
它不是 it is not.
我们现在要做的是 把事情整理到一起 What we now have to do is weave together
所有取证 陪审团的证词 all of the depositions, the grand jury testimony,
到目前为止20个证人的证词 the transcripts of the days of testimony so far of 28 witnesses,
把他们总结成一个简洁但有力的陈述 and put together a concise, powerful statement.
事关一个人的一生 肯定有压力 There's always pressure when someone's life is on the line.
如果尼克败诉 I mean, Nick loses,
他将要 如果我们败诉了 he's going... we lose,
他将失去他的一生 he's going away for the rest of his life.
他有两个小孩 两个非常可爱的小男孩 He has two young kids, two young boys, really cute
爱他的小男孩 little boys who love him.
上次我见他时 And last time I saw him,
男孩们抱住他说 别走 kids was holding onto him and saying, Don't go.
这场景非常感人 And so it was really heartwarming
但同时 也很让人忧虑 and at the same time... scary.
我们也争取到菲茨帕特里克了吗 And we've got Fitzpatrick in there also?
是的 Yes.
我再确认一下 I'll double-check on that.
是的 I think... Yep.
-太好了 -好 在76页 - Great. - Yeah, And so it's on page 76.
我见过很多不公平 I've seen a lot of injustices,
我只希望 这不会是其中之一 And I just hope that this is not one of them.
我们希望可以 And we're hoping that we can
为他赢下这个案子 让他可以回到他的生活 win this case for him so that he can get back to his life.
检察官拼凑起碎片 The prosecution has pieced together...
他们把所谓的证据当面料 拼凑起来 They've cobbled together fabrics of so-called evidence.
然后他们提交给你 法官 And they've given you, Judge,
一床破破烂烂的被子 a torn and tattered quilt.
他们就把这一床破破烂烂的被子给你 And they have given this torn and tattered quilt to you,
还把它称为间接证据 and they've called it circumstantial evidence.
他们试图把尼克描绘成 They're trying to paint this picture of Nick
一个得不到命中所爱的痴迷的疯子 As an obsessed psychopath who unable to get the love of his life,
杀了她的孩子 kills her child.
这能讲通吗 Does that make sense?
我要对您说 这一点也说不通 I submit to you it makes absolutely no sense.
这不是那种你带进法庭 It's not the type of theory you bring into a courtroom
并要求法官判定一个人犯有谋杀罪的情况 and ask a judge to find a man guilty of murder.
二级谋杀罪 Guilty of murder in the second degree.
他们正在做的是 大人 What they're trying to do here, Your Honor,
他们正在做的是 what they're trying to do here
是要妖魔化 是要妖魔化这个人 is to demonize... is to demonize this man.
我知道检察官会站在这 I know the prosecutor's going to stand up here,
他会对你说 and he's going to say to you,
他会尽自己最大努力对你说 in the loudest voice as he can,
"你要判尼克·希拉里有罪" You have to convict Nick Hillary.
他会告诉你 And he will say to you,
在刑事诉讼中 检方需要证明 在嫌疑人犯罪这点上没有任何合理疑点
"我已经证明 这个案子里已经没有合理疑点" "I have proven my case beyond a reasonable doubt."
法官大人 这个案件充满了疑点 Judge, this case is riddled with doubt.
我一再强调 法官大人 I can't emphasize enough, Judge,
这起案件 有两种可能性 how in this case... there's two possible explanations.
出于无罪推定原则 必须要先假设被告无罪 You have to give the benefit of the doubt to the defendant.
那么就是要么尼克·希拉里 But possibility number one is either Nick Hillary
在一场 人类历史上可能是 is the victim of the most bizarre convergence of coincidences
最离奇的巧合里充当了替罪羊 since man first learned to write and record history,
这样的话他就是无辜的 and he sits there an innocent man,
要么 就是在2011年10月24日这天 or, on October the 24th, 2011,
他由于无法走出与坦迪·塞勒斯分手的痛苦 obsessed by his break-up with Tandy Cyrus,
一个12岁男孩激怒了他 enraged that it came down to the needs of the 12-year-old boy...
他变态的私欲似乎和这个12岁男孩 As if there was some moral confluence between his needs
发生了反应 and the needs of a 12-year-old boy.
他走进了男孩所在的公寓 He entered that boy's apartment,
扑向了他 he chased him down,
把他拖到了卧室 he dragged him into a bedroom,
用了90秒的时间 掐死了这个男孩 and he spent 90 seconds choking the life out of him.
之后他就一直在撒谎 And he's been lying about it ever since.
究竟是什么样的人 What kind of mind
还能在这样的情况下撒谎 法官大人 can orchestrate something like that, Judge?
是那种能直视你的双眼 还说 The same type of mind that can look you right in the eye and say that,
"当我从波茨坦高中的 停车场离开时 "When I leave the Potsdam parking high school parking lot,
虽然我的公寓在右手边 and my apartment is four-tenths of a mile
直走六百米就能到的地方 in a straight line to the right,
但我偏偏走了左边 我觉得没什么区别" sometimes I go left, and it doesn't make any difference to me."
现在我们面对的 就是说这话的人 That's the type of mind that we're dealing with.
"当然 你必须要相信我 "And of course you've got to believe me,
因为我是尼克·希拉里 你得听我的 because I'm Nick Hillary, and I said it.
听我的 就够了" And that's good enough... should be good enough for you."
所以我们现在在这里 法官大人 And we're here, Your Honor,
因为一些录像证据 because of tapes,
但实话说没有一个比 but frankly none more important
71号证据更重要 than exhibit 71.
这是我们最后一次 And there's the last time
见到加勒特·菲利普斯 we ever see Garrett Phillips
活着 alive.
加勒特·菲利普斯 Garrett Phillips
不是被一个 wasn't killed by someone
镇上随随便便的讨厌孩子的人杀掉的 passing through town who hates little boys.
他是被尼克·希拉里杀死的 He was killed by Nick Hillary.
他也想继续和他朋友生活 He wanted to be with his friends.
他也想继续偶尔看看电视 法官大人 He wanted to occasionally watch TV, judge.
他还想继续玩玩滑板 He wanted to play on his Ripstik.
他就想当一个12岁的小男孩 He wanted to be 12 years-old,
不想被他的继父来回使唤 not be dictated to,
但这害他丢掉了性命 and that cost him his life.
现在加勒特告别了这个世界 Now Garrett belongs to the ages.
永远停留在了12岁 He's forever 12.
法官大人 希望您心明眼亮 I wish you Godspeed, Judge.
我向上帝祈祷 您能看到被告的真面目 I pray to God you've seen this defendant for what he truly is.
他是一个有预谋的 去谋杀一个 A person who with premeditation
刚过总角之年的十二岁男孩的人 murdered a beautiful 12-year-old little boy.
他的自大和愚蠢 And he did it so arrogantly and stupidly,
使我们可以将他绳之以法 that he can now finally be brought to justice.
谢谢您 法官大人 Thank you, Your Honor.
关于法院对此案判决的决定 With regard to the Court's decision, the Court's verdict,
我预计我们将休庭至下周三或周四 I anticipate Wednesday or Thursday of next week
在此期间请等待法院的最终裁决 that we'll stand in recess to await the court's verdict.
感谢大家 Thank you, everybody.
尼克·希拉里和他的辩护团队回到家中等待裁决
预计本周某天 A verdict is expected
法院将对尼克·希拉里谋杀案作出裁决 at some point this week in the Nick Hillary-murder trial.
这位前克拉克森大学的足球教练 The former Clarkson University soccer coach
正面临二级谋杀指控 is facing a second-degree-murder charge
由于2011年他前女友儿子的死亡 For the 2011 death of his ex-girlfriend's son.
他将在判决宣告之际重回法庭 He'll be back in the courtroom as soon as a verdict is reached.
嗨 爸爸 Hi, daddy.
来看我给你做了什么好吃的 Look at what I got right here.
我想吃热狗 I want hot dogs.
对啊 这是一种特别的热狗 It is. It's a special kind of hot dog.
相信我好吗 Just trust me, okay?
才不 那才不是热狗呢 No, that's not a hot dog.
不是吗 It's not a hot dog?
不是 那是辣香肠 No, it's pepperoni.
-这是辣香肠吗 -是啊 - That's pepperonis? - Yes.
不是哟 这可比辣香肠好吃多了伙计 No, this is better than pepperonis, man.
好样的乔乔 Good job, Jo-Jo.
每天一睁眼想的就是要 Wake up every day And you're trying
享受每一分每一秒跟孩子们在一起的时光 to enjoy every second, every minute with your kids,
同时努力去保护他们 all the while trying to protect them
从未知中给他们一个避难所 and shelter them from the unknown.
好吧 Okay.
好的 All right.
过来孩子们 Come on boys.
法官已经做出了裁决 尼克·希拉里明天需要到波茨坦出庭
要举高高 I want a lift.
好嘞 再见宝贝 给爸爸亲亲 Okay. All right. Let's say bye. Give me beso.
为什么啊 But why?
来给爸爸亲亲 Give me beso.
我爱你 咱们过几天见 好吗 I love you. I'll see you, I'll see you in a few, okay?
我想再要一个亲亲 I want one more beso.
再来一个亲亲 One more beso.
好了 All right.
乔乔 来给爸爸个亲亲 Give daddy beso now, son Jo-Jo.
-亲亲 亲亲 -来亲亲 - Beso! Beso! - Give me beso.
爸爸 你打算怎么解决这件事啊 Dad, how are you going to work this out?
再亲一个 One more.
-好了 -爸爸 - All right. - Daddy...
我会提前跟你们说的 I'll give you...
-好吗 -好的 - okay? - Yeah.
记住咱们说好的 Remember the promise.
是什么来着 What's the promise?
不准哭 Don't cry.
对 没错 Okay, good, good.
好了吗 All right?
好了 乔乔 All right, Jo-Jo.
来击掌 Give me five, man.
好嘞 All right.
坚强点 好吗伙计 Be strong, okay bud?
好吗 All right?
一切都会没事的 Everything's going to be all right.
我不断地祈祷最终会有一个正确的决定 Praying continuously that the correct decision will come down,
我会磕头跪地感谢上天 and I will have to get down on my hands and my knees
然后重建我的生活 你懂吗 and start rebuilding, you know?
因为到现在为止 Because everything I have built up
我努力经营建造的生活都已经毁了 until this point has been totally destroyed.
无论最后怎么样 No matter what happens,
都不会有任何实质性的赔偿 You know, there's no real, like, reparations
给尼克一家人 为了他们经历的这一切 that are going to go back to Nick's family for all the...
他家背负的债务 还有他丢掉了工作 the fact that he lost his job, for the debt that his family went into.
他的名声差不多毁了 His name is kind of ruined.
网上搜尼克·希拉里 会紧挨着"谋杀"这个词 Google Nick Hillary... His name is next to the word murder.
即使他真是无辜的 And even if it's that he's innocent,
他这辈子也摆脱不了那个污名 He's stuck with that for the rest of his life.
波茨坦镇
2016年9月28日
审判日
今日新闻 费利克斯·卡泰纳法官将宣判 In the news today, Judge Felix Catena will hand down his verdict
尼克·希拉里谋杀案的裁决 In the Nick Hillary murder trial.
我们将在十点为您直播 We'll bring that to you live at 10:00 a.m.
一切都落到两个字上 有罪还是无罪 One or two more words, guilty or not guilty.
尼克 你今天感觉怎么样 Nick, how you feeling today?
有信心吗 Confident?
你能从两种角度看 You can look at it one of two ways.
你可以认为 尼克·希拉里干了这事 You can look at it that Nick Hillary did this,
杰西·麦金利 纽约时报奥尔巴尼总编辑
他扼死了一个12岁的小孩 that he strangled a 12-year-old,
要么是出于愤怒 要么是为了惩罚坦迪 either out of rage or to punish Tandy,
然后他从后面的窗户爬了出去 and then clambered out that back window
而且自那以后 And has managed since then
成功地扮演了一个无辜的受害者 to convey himself as an innocent victim,
这种行为只能用病态来形容 which would be an act of true pathology.
另一种可能是别人干的 Or that someone else did this,
有人不知怎么进了公寓 and somehow entered that apartment,
出于未知的原因 掐死了这个小男孩 strangled this little boy for reasons unknown,
然后爬出了公寓 消失在了夜色里 then clambered out that apartment And escaped into the night,
再也没有消息 and has never been heard from again.
无论是哪一种可能 都非常的细思恐极 And either one of those options are frightening.
女士们先生们 请坐 Please be seated, ladies and gentlemen.
早上好 欢迎回到圣劳伦斯县法院 Good morning and welcome back to St. Lawrence County Court.
今天将继续 This is a continuation of the People,
纽约州检方诉奥拉尔·尼古拉斯·希拉里一案 The State of New York, against Oral Nicholas Hillary,
起诉书编号2015-015 indictment number 2015-015.
这件事定于今天上午 The matter was scheduled this morning
由法院作出裁决 for the Court to deliver its verdict.
希拉里先生 请起立 Mr. Hillary, if you'll please rise.
被告于2015年1月19日被指控 Defendant was indicted on January 19, 2015
于2011年10月24日谋杀加勒特·菲利普斯 for the October 24, 2011 murder of Garrett Phillips.
此前法院在没有陪审团的情况下 A trial was had before this court sitting
进行了为期三周的审判 without a jury over the course of three weeks.
对被告的起诉 The case against the defendant
完全是基于间接证据 is entirely based upon circumstantial evidence.
因此 法院必须在严格的标准下 Because of this the Court must review the evidence in this case
重新审阅证据 under a rigorous standard.
相应地 本院的判决是 Accordingly, it is the judgment of this court
对于起诉书中指控的 that as to the charge of murder in the second degree
二级谋杀罪 as charged in the indictment,
被告奥拉尔·尼古拉斯·希拉里 the defendant, Oral Nicholas Hillary
被判无罪 is found not guilty.
宣告无罪后 There having... there having been an acquittal,
法院应当依照刑事诉讼法第160-50节的规定 the court shall enter an order pursuant to section 160-50
作出裁定 of the criminal procedural law.
保释无罪 被告获释 Bail is exonerated, and the defendant is released.
女士们先生们 法院休庭 谢谢 Ladies and gentlemen, this court is adjourned, thank you.
有人杀了加勒特·菲利普斯 Someone killed Garrett Phillips,
但不是尼克·希拉里 but it wasn't Nick Hillary.
家人们伤心欲绝 The families were extremely distraught.
他们失去了12岁的男孩 They've lost a 12-year-old boy,
现在又看着那个谋杀犯 and now they see their... the murderer of that 12-year-old boy
自由地走出了法庭 walking out of the courtroom, free.
刑事司法制度起效了 The criminal justice system worked here.
公众必须充分了解 It is important that the public fully understand
我们刑事司法制度的运作意图 how our criminal justice system is intended to work,
而且有时候 and that sometimes...
它确实是有效的 sometimes it actually does work.
我百分百肯定尼克·希拉里就是凶手 I'm 100% certain that Nick Hillary was the man.
不会有关于其他人的调查 There will be no search for anybody else.
他就是那个犯下这桩罪行的人 He was the only person that committed this crime,
我百分百确定 I'm 100% certain of that.
你跟坦迪可能有过什么对话 Conversation that you might've had with Tandy?
坦迪是个很注重隐私的人 Tandy is a very private person.
我只是单纯地 I just simply...
表达了自己的哀悼之情 expressed my condolences,
就这样 and that was about it.
她说 我知道你们尽力了 And she said, I know you guys tried.
所以我想说 这个团队 So I just want to say that this team,
这个律师团队 没有对事实视而不见 this legal team, is not oblivious to the fact
没有忽视这个家庭 五年后依然在哀痛 that there is a family that even after five years still grieves.
我觉得法官大人 And I think the judge,
尽管面对着法庭中洋溢出的悲恸 despite all of that emotion that was exhibited in that courtroom,
尽管看到那个家庭遭受的痛苦 despite all the pain that he saw from that family,
他仍然有勇气和力量 he had the courage and he had the strength
依照法律处理事实 to apply the law to the facts,
并且由此他决定尼克·希拉里是无罪的 and after doing so he determined that Nick Hillary was not guilty.
漂亮 Yeah.
他是神眷之人 He's a man of God.
这是第二次 It was the second time,
我的一些队员们看到我哭 You know, some of my teammates have seen me crying.
另一次在什么情况下呢 What was the other time?
是我们赢得全国冠军的时候 It was when we won the national championship.
是的 那是第一次 Yeah. So that was the first time.
你会继续当教练吗 Are you going to go back to coaching?
不排除这种可能性 I mean, I've never ruled it out,
但同等重要的是 But at the same token,
此时此刻的重心 you know, the focus right now at this moment
是回到我的家人身边 is to get back with my family,
尽自己所能 and try to get back as
让他们恢复正常的生活 best sense of normalcy within their life,
然后才去探索前进的可能性 and then start to explore the possibility going forward.
诺姆兄弟 谢谢你 Brother Norm. Thank you.
-保重 -我会的 - You take care. - Yes, will do.
-一定会的 -一路小心 - will do. - Be careful.
好的 Yes, yes, yes.
即使审判结束了 这事还没完全过去 Even though it's over, it ain't over.
没错 正是如此 Exactly, exactly, exactly.
-永远不会翻篇 -没错 不会过去 - It's never over. - It's never over, exactly.
-非常感谢 -没事 - Thank you so much. - Yep.
没事 All right.
嘿 哥们 Hey, boy.
还好吗 What's going on?
结束了
是的 Yeah.
都过去了
也该结束了
你为什么还穿着开会的衣服 Why are you still dressed up from the meeting?
这个嘛 我还没时间换衣服呢 Well, you know, I didn't have time to change.
走吧 Let's go.
好啦 走起 All right. Here we go.
尼克·希拉里对波茨坦镇提起了第二次民权诉讼
案件正在审理中
他现在是一名俱乐部的足球教练
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